good morning, welcome to the nation's phone and, on the radio and on the telly. borisjohnson, yes, is it a lockdown stitch up? that is the question, i am asking you. the former prime minister has been referred to the police over more potential role breaking during covid lockdowns. once more unto a breach, dearfriends. does it still lockdowns. once more unto a breach, dear friends. does it still matter what the prime minister did during that surreal period in our lives? cabinet office lawyers, who were reviewing his diaries

ahead of the covid public inquiry,say they were obliged to pass on evidence of potential law—breaking under the civil service code. is it fitting and proper that the correct procedure, certain anomalies vigorously investigated, or is it a smear, a stitch up, a witchhunt? they will not let lockdown lie. who said lie? it is on the front pages left, right and centre, we have been here before. it is an avid ready phone in, it has got to be done! forward to hearing from you on this one. that is what we're doing. we will be reading all your text to get a measure of what you think,

here is the news from karishma patel. the annual rate of inflation in the uk fell to 8.7% in april, the first time since august last year that it's been in single figures. inflation had been at10.1% in march. borisjohnson�*s office has said it's "totally untrue" that the former prime minister may have committed further breaches of covid rules. labour has called on the government to explain why the allegations have onlyjust emerged, after police said they were assessing information recorded in mrjohnson�*s ministerial diary. the police watchdog has said it will send investigators to cardiff, where there was a riot on monday night after a fatal crash. security—camera footage showed a police van following two teenagers on an electric bike minutes before the accident. richard branson has announced the closure of his space travel business. virgin orbit failed to complete the first satellite launch from the uk earlier this year.

we have got our chief political correspondent, nick eardley, coming on in a wee second to give us the bounds of this one. so the met and thames valley police are looking at gatherings that mrjohnson had, including receiving visitors in downing street that at chequers, his country pile. i think i tell you, it has all come to light because of diary entries, right? interesting, this morning reports are coming out from stephen swinford, the political editor of the times, who has been talking to sources, allies, and they are saying, it is good stuff, this, they say it is the final straw for johnson, even mps supportive of him

will begin organising. a boris ally is quoted as saying he has been supporting the government but this is the final straw, there are growing numbers of mps who want to party leadership to stop these witchhunt. a group of mps will meet today to consider options. meanwhile, members across the country are being organised, so they are furious about this, according to these reports. are you surprised by these reports. are you surprised by the latest revelations, dismayed, and good, are you nonplussed? discombobulated? i don't even know what that means! whatever you are, be it with me on the radio, on the telly. this is all about you. boris johnson — is it a lockdown stitch up? and shall in east london, down in ravenglass, rachel and edinburgh, morning, everybody! let me hear you all, good morning! hi, nicki! you are there, at last! here we go again, but we have got to do it.

nick eardley, originally from glasgow, he stalks the corridors of westminster, good morning! edinburgh! we have had this conversation before! aloud how come you support celtic, then?! it is a long story! aloud my humblest apologies! what is going on here, nick? me explain how this got to the police, there are government lawyers who are going through documents to get submissions ready for the covid public inquiry, looking into boris johnson's submission, and i am told there was lawyers saw something they were not happy with, they were concerned about, so they passed it on to civil servants in the cabinet office, who discussed what to do and decided to send it to the police. chatting to people in government this morning, they are at pains to

say that no ministers were involved in this, this wasn't a political decision, it wasn't something that ministers were signing off, so they are refuting that idea from boris johnson's team that this could be some sort of political stitch up. but where we are this morning is that some of these documents have been sent by the cabinet office to the met and thames valley police, thames valley cover chequers, the big country mansion that prime ministers get to use, and they are assessing that to decide what to do next. ~ ., ., assessing that to decide what to do next. ~ ., . next. who did he meet and greet? do we now? don't— next. who did he meet and greet? do we now? don't know _ next. who did he meet and greet? do we now? don't know for _ next. who did he meet and greet? do we now? don't know for sure, - next. who did he meet and greet? do we now? don't know for sure, the - we now? don't know for sure, the most we have _ we now? don't know for sure, the most we have is _ we now? don't know for sure, the most we have is a _ we now? don't know for sure, the most we have is a suggestion - we now? don't know for sure, the most we have is a suggestion in l we now? don't know for sure, the l most we have is a suggestion in the times that it was friends and family of borisjohnson who were visiting. big questions about this before, you will remember that there had been reports in the past that, for example, friends were over, that was always denied bite number ten. i have chatted to a lot of people about this, and i think that deliberately a lot of people in

government are now trying not to see what is in these diaries, because they don't want to be involved and don't want this to become a political thing, because what they have seen last night is boris johnson's team come out swinging, they are furious, absolutely convinced that something untoward is happening here. they have suggested that it looks like, what was the phrase, another politically motivated stitch up, accusing some in government of making unfounded allegations. they are even flouting with the idea, nicky, of suing the cabinet office, if it is accused borisjohnson of breaking the rules. my borisjohnson of breaking the rules. my understanding is that the cabinet office has not done that, it has just passed on a raw material. but there is a real sense that i could be a big battle coming between boris johnson, prime minister a year ago, and the government over all of theirs. , ,, ., , ., ., theirs. rishi sunak's people are not in the boris — theirs. rishi sunak's people are not in the boris johnson _ theirs. rishi sunak's people are not in the boris johnson appreciation i

in the borisjohnson appreciation society, and oliver deighton, his number two, society, and oliver deighton, his numbertwo, is society, and oliver deighton, his number two, is at the heart of the cabinet office, so as you say, all sorts of allegations are flying around. so what is the difference, what is the relevance of what has come to light in his diaries to the covid inquiry, as opposed to the privileges committee? we should be hearing the verdict soon. weill. hearing the verdict soon. well, look, i suspect _ hearing the verdict soon. well, look, i suspect the _ hearing the verdict soon. well, look, i suspect the covid - hearing the verdict soon. well, | look, i suspect the covid inquiry will look into how decisions were being made in government and whether they were followed by the people who were setting them. i suppose that is what this question always comes back to, was the double standard is going on here? were the people telling us to stay at home, do not meet our friends, to avoid doing x, y and z, without following the rules themselves? so i think that is the main thing that is going to be important for the inquiry, the public inquiry. there was also, you will remember the privileges committee in parliament is looking

into borisjohnson and whether he told parliament the truth. i think this probably means that that conclusion will be delayed a bit. they have been sent this information by the cabinet office, the latest stuff from boris johnson's diaries, and stuff from borisjohnson�*s diaries, and i are going to assess stuff from boris johnson's diaries, and i are going to assess it. so my hunchis and i are going to assess it. so my hunch is that means a conclusion that was probably coming in a few weeks might take a bit longer now. and it alsojust weeks might take a bit longer now. and it also just means there is a cloud over borisjohnson, a continued cloud over him, something that makes it really hard for him to move on politically. there is a cloud over the government as well, because although this is not someone in rishi sunak's team, borisjohnson and rishi sunak's differences are well known, it does mean that the whiff of scandal and of questions about propriety that were raised under borisjohnson�*s dies, they are proving quite hard to shake off for rishi sunak, and he is still going to face questions about what went on a number ten

to face questions about what went on a numberten and to face questions about what went on a number ten and whether the cut was following its own rules. figs a number ten and whether the cut was following its own rules.— following its own rules. as you say, boris johnson's _ following its own rules. as you say, boris johnson's people _ following its own rules. as you say, boris johnson's people reckon - following its own rules. as you say, boris johnson's people reckon they| borisjohnson�*s people reckon they are out to get him, they want to put this big beast out of their misery. he is seen very much as the once and future king, or as we would say in scotland, the prince over the water. so in whose interest, you are a student of history, i was a student of history, one of the things we were taught to ask, in whose interest is it for this information to come out? i interest is it for this information to come out?— interest is it for this information to come out? i mean, i think the erson to come out? i mean, i think the person who _ to come out? i mean, i think the person who will _ to come out? i mean, i think the person who will probably - to come out? i mean, i think the person who will probably suffer l to come out? i mean, i think the - person who will probably suffer most from this at the moment is boris johnson, because as i say, the cloud continues to hang over him, we don't know what the police will decide to do, will they decide there is a proper investigation? we don't know how that investigation would end up. so borisjohnson cannot be certain about how this will all pan out. so it is pretty bad news for him at the moment, he is going to fight it. as i say, he has come out swinging. but

you raise the prospect of boris johnson being the prince over the water. there are definitely tory mps who think that, i have chatted to them in the past few weeks, and i still think he is political gold dust, that despite all the damage that was done over the partygate scandal, he could make a comeback to high office. i've got to say, the more we hear stories like this, the more we hear stories like this, the more these scandals dragged on, the harder that becomes. it is very hard to see that happening at the moment. borisjohnson is going to fight it, nobody knows how it is going to end up. nobody knows how it is going to end u -. nobody knows how it is going to end u . _ ., nobody knows how it is going to end u -. . , , nobody knows how it is going to end u . _ ., , , ., . ., up. ok, i have 'ust seen a text come in, could up. ok, i have 'ust seen a text come in. could you — up. ok, i have just seen a text come in. could you ask— up. ok, i have just seen a text come in, could you ask nick— up. ok, i have just seen a text come in, could you ask nick eardley - up. ok, i have just seen a text come in, could you ask nick eardley if- up. ok, i have just seen a text come in, could you ask nick eardley if he l in, could you ask nick eardley if he thinks this story has come out to take the heat off braverman? that mi . ht take the heat off braverman? that miaht be take the heat off braverman? that might be the _ take the heat off braverman? twat might be the conclusion that some conspiracy theorists would draw! we still do not know what rishi sunak is going to do, he still has to make his mind up. pmqs in three hours, though, i suspect he will want to take the sting out of things in one way or another, so let's see if that

one moves. way or another, so let's see if that one mom-— one moves. thank you very much indeed, nick _ one moves. thank you very much indeed, nick eardley, _ one moves. thank you very much indeed, nick eardley, as - one moves. thank you very much indeed, nick eardley, as he - one moves. thank you very much l indeed, nick eardley, as he rightly points out, pmqs is coming up at me today, and we have our panel of mps at 11 today, and we have our panel of mps at i! as well, so you can ask them whatever they want. this text, a total stitch up, we need him back at number ten. thank you for that! at last, rachel in edinburgh, done in ravenglass, angela in east london, not real name, and jean in spalding. i tell you what, let's go to spalding, we can all talk about this, the less from me, the better, as so many of you say. fire away! good morning, good morning. right, this borisjohnson thing, right? he made a mistake. let's put it to bed. i think we have heard enough of it now. we voted him in, and all right, he has been voted out. he has done hisjob, let him get on with his life now, leave him alone, for

goodness site. he is a married man without family. he has paid his price. ijust don't without family. he has paid his price. i just don't agree with without family. he has paid his price. ijust don't agree with it. down in ravenglass, do you agree? t down in ravenglass, do you agree? i don't think it is too much to ask that_ don't think it is too much to ask that our— don't think it is too much to ask that our politicians are not known for being — that our politicians are not known for being serial liars. the problem is that_ for being serial liars. the problem is that this — for being serial liars. the problem is that this is not a single instance _ is that this is not a single instance where he has lied to the public, _ instance where he has lied to the public, to— instance where he has lied to the public, to parliament, he even lied to the _ public, to parliament, he even lied to the queen as well. i mean, you asked _ to the queen as well. i mean, you asked the — to the queen as well. i mean, you asked the question, do we still care about— asked the question, do we still care about this? — asked the question, do we still care about this? unfortunately, yeah, i dom _ about this? unfortunately, yeah, i dom |_ about this? unfortunately, yeah, i do... ., �* m about this? unfortunately, yeah, i do---- my aunt _ about this? unfortunately, yeah, i do. . .- my aunt died - about this? unfortunately, yeah, i do. . .- my aunt died during| do... i don't. my aunt died during the lockdown, _ do... i don't. my aunt died during the lockdown, we _ do... i don't. my aunt died during the lockdown, we all— do... i don't. my aunt died during the lockdown, we all had - do... i don't. my aunt died during the lockdown, we all had to - do... i don't. my aunt died during| the lockdown, we all had to watch her funeral — the lockdown, we all had to watch her funeral over zoom. the lockdown, we all had to watch herfuneral overzoom. i the lockdown, we all had to watch her funeral over zoom. i appreciate there _ her funeral over zoom. i appreciate there are _ her funeral over zoom. i appreciate there are global, pressing matters that affect us all, we are dealing with a _ that affect us all, we are dealing with a variety of issues at the moment, _ with a variety of issues at the moment, but this is basic principles. you know, we can't have

politicians, — principles. you know, we can't have politicians, noun, in his case, as a proven— politicians, noun, in his case, as a proven liar. — politicians, noun, in his case, as a proven liar, continuing to obfuscate, deflect, blusterand obfuscate, deflect, bluster and mislead — obfuscate, deflect, blusterand mislead the public, and that is exactly— mislead the public, and that is exactly what is happening now. we have just _ exactly what is happening now. we have just heard from, sorry, i don't remember— have just heard from, sorry, i don't remember the chap's name, the person who gave _ remember the chap's name, the person who gave the _ remember the chap's name, the person who gave the summary of the political — who gave the summary of the political and legal situation, and boris's _ political and legal situation, and boris's team are coming out fighting, _ boris's team are coming out fighting, saying, no, this is a conspiracy, this is an organised attempt — conspiracy, this is an organised attempt to discredit boris johnson. again, _ attempt to discredit boris johnson. again, it— attempt to discredit boris johnson. again, it is— attempt to discredit boris johnson. again, it is not. this is a real sense — again, it is not. this is a real sense of— again, it is not. this is a real sense of deja vu. | again, it is not. this is a real sense of deja vu.— again, it is not. this is a real sense of deja vu. sense of de'a vu. i have 'ust been on tell ! sense of de'a vu. i have 'ust been on telly! n h sense of deja vu. i have 'ust been on telly! n at sense of deja vu. i have 'ust been on telly! it is a h sense of deja vu. i have just been on telly! it is a marvellous - sense of deja vu. i have just been on telly! it is a marvellous thing. | on telly! it is a marvellous thing. don't no on telly! it is a marvellous thing. don't go anywhere, _ on telly! it is a marvellous thing. don't go anywhere, dan, - on telly! it is a marvellous thing. | don't go anywhere, dan, because on telly! it is a marvellous thing. l don't go anywhere, dan, because i want to get rachel's response to what you said, rachel in edinburgh, in old reekie, did you hear dan? it

was dan in ravenglass who said it very much matters. we have a double dose of dan coming up, stay there, other dan, i will be with you. rachel in edinburgh, they still matters, he has lied through his life, that is why it is still important, rachel, respond to that, please. t important, rachel, respond to that, lease. ., �* ~ ., important, rachel, respond to that, lease. ~ ., ., , ~ please. i don't know, i really think that, to be — please. i don't know, i really think that, to be honest, _ please. i don't know, i really think that, to be honest, it _ please. i don't know, i really think that, to be honest, it does - please. i don't know, i really think that, to be honest, it does matter| that, to be honest, it does matter to an extent, but if borisjohnson is going to take a step back from front line politics, you know, we are bringing up issues that happened two years ago, and we have got more pressing issues to deal with — the war in ukraine, cost of living, an epidemic of mental health, and we have also got a fractured union with scotland and england, so i think theseissues scotland and england, so i think these issues should be put forward more crucially at the moment. but if borisjohnson is thinking, no, i'm going to come back and become

conservative leader again and run for prime minister, out of public interest, if he is going to take a step back, let him get on with his life. you know, he has damaged his own reputation by doing these parties, whether or not they were within the rules, the public has taken a different view, and i don't think you will ever get his popularity back.— think you will ever get his popularity back. these are the --eole popularity back. these are the people who — popularity back. these are the people who make _ popularity back. these are the people who make the - popularity back. these are the people who make the rules, i popularity back. these are the i people who make the rules, they create _ people who make the rules, they create law. if they break the law, if they— create law. if they break the law, if they lie — create law. if they break the law, if they lie about breaking the law, if they lie about breaking the law, if they— if they lie about breaking the law, if they are — if they lie about breaking the law, if they are proven to have broken the law— if they are proven to have broken the law and there is no ramification, what does that say to everyone _ ramification, what does that say to everyone else?— everyone else? yeah, and i think that is the _ everyone else? yeah, and i think that is the biggest _ everyone else? yeah, and i think that is the biggest problem - everyone else? yeah, and i think that is the biggest problem that l everyone else? yeah, and i think. that is the biggest problem that we have got, and a lot of people in my age group now arejust have got, and a lot of people in my age group now are just so disinterested in politics and do not want to vote, they don't want a part in it, it isjust a scandal want to vote, they don't want a part in it, it is just a scandal after scandal, that these are the rule makers and the rule breakers. we

stayed at home, we followed the covid rules, they were the ones that put the rules in place, but yet what were they doing? i think that is quite true. were they doing? i think that is quite true-— were they doing? i think that is cuite true. �* . ., , ., ., quite true. angela in east london in a second, quite true. angela in east london in a second. dan _ quite true. angela in east london in a second, dan in _ quite true. angela in east london in a second, dan in bromley, - quite true. angela in east london in a second, dan in bromley, is- quite true. angela in east london in a second, dan in bromley, is this i quite true. angela in east london in a second, dan in bromley, is this a | a second, dan in bromley, is this a stitch up, dan? a second, dan in bromley, is this a stitch up. dan?— a second, dan in bromley, is this a stitch up, dan? good morning, nicky, it is very nice — stitch up, dan? good morning, nicky, it is very nice of— stitch up, dan? good morning, nicky, it is very nice of you _ stitch up, dan? good morning, nicky, it is very nice of you to _ stitch up, dan? good morning, nicky, it is very nice of you to have _ stitch up, dan? good morning, nicky, it is very nice of you to have me i stitch up, dan? good morning, nicky, it is very nice of you to have me on i it is very nice of you to have me on the show. — it is very nice of you to have me on the show. i— it is very nice of you to have me on the show. i was _ it is very nice of you to have me on the show, i was filmed _ it is very nice of you to have me on the show, i was filmed by- it is very nice of you to have me on the show, i was filmed by bbc- the show, i was filmed by bbc breakfast. _ the show, i was filmed by bbc breakfast, in _ the show, i was filmed by bbc breakfast, in mm _ the show, i was filmed by bbc breakfast, in 2017! had - the show, i was filmed by bbc breakfast, in 2017! had to i the show, i was filmed by bbci breakfast, in 2017! had to open the show, i was filmed by bbc. breakfast, in 2017! had to open a mental— breakfast, in 2017! had to open a mental health— breakfast, in 2017! had to open a mental health gallery _ breakfast, in 2017! had to open a mental health gallery for - breakfast, in 2017! had to open a mental health gallery for ads i breakfast, in 2017! had to open a mental health gallery for ads in i breakfast, in 2017! had to open a . mental health gallery for ads in my own borough _ mental health gallery for ads in my own borough. the _ mental health gallery for ads in my own borough. the guy— mental health gallery for ads in my own borough. the guy that - mental health gallery for ads in my own borough. the guy that was i own borough. the guy that was filming — own borough. the guy that was filming it — own borough. the guy that was filming it was _ own borough. the guy that was filming it was called _ own borough. the guy that was filming it was called dan, - own borough. the guy that was filming it was called dan, and i| own borough. the guy that was i filming it was called dan, and i had to he _ filming it was called dan, and i had to he shot — filming it was called dan, and i had to he shot on — filming it was called dan, and i had to be shot on some _ filming it was called dan, and i had to be shot on some camera - filming it was called dan, and i had to be shot on some camera and... i filming it was called dan, and i had i to be shot on some camera and... no, nicky, _ to be shot on some camera and... no, nicky, this _ to be shot on some camera and... no, nicky, this is _ to be shot on some camera and... no, nicky, this is not — to be shot on some camera and... no, nicky, this is not a _ to be shot on some camera and... no, nicky, this is not a stitch— to be shot on some camera and... no, nicky, this is not a stitch up— to be shot on some camera and... no, nicky, this is not a stitch up at- nicky, this is not a stitch up at aiim — nicky, this is not a stitch up at aiim it— nicky, this is not a stitch up at all... , ,, , nicky, this is not a stitch up at all... , ,, ., _ nicky, this is not a stitch up at all... ,, ., _ , all... it is a bit desperate by his opponents? _ all... it is a bit desperate by his opponents? desperate - all... it is a bit desperate by his opponents? desperate dan! it. all... it is a bit desperate by his| opponents? desperate dan! it is all... it is a bit desperate by his i opponents? desperate dan! it is a vendetta, does it not stink a

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what amazes me to this day is why they do so. because it will always i they do so. because it will always -et they do so. because it will always get found — they do so. because it will always get found out _ they do so. because it will always get found out. it _ they do so. because it will always get found out. it is _ they do so. because it will always get found out. it is about - they do so. because it will always get found out. it is about truth i get found out. it is about truth investigation, _ get found out. it is about truth investigation, and _ get found out. it is about truth investigation, and i— get found out. it is about truth investigation, and i have - get found out. it is about truth. investigation, and i have always been _ investigation, and i have always been a — investigation, and i have always been a great _ investigation, and i have always been a great admirer— investigation, and i have always been a great admirer of- been a great admirer of investigative _ been a great admirer ofl investigative journalism, been a great admirer of. investigativejournalism, i been a great admirer of- investigative journalism, i have been a great admirer of— investigative journalism, i have got the books — investigative journalism, i have got the books on — investigative journalism, i have got

the books on my— investigative journalism, i have got the books on my shelf. _ investigative journalism, i have got the books on my shelf. what - the books on my shelf. what astonishes _ the books on my shelf. what astonishes me _ the books on my shelf. what astonishes me is— the books on my shelf. what astonishes me is why - the books on my shelf. what astonishes me is why peoplej the books on my shelf. what i astonishes me is why people keep hiding _ astonishes me is why people keep hiding things — astonishes me is why people keep hiding things and _ astonishes me is why people keep hiding things and going, _ astonishes me is why people keep hiding things and going, i- astonishes me is why people keep hiding things and going, iwill- astonishes me is why people keep hiding things and going, i will get| hiding things and going, i will get away— hiding things and going, i will get away with— hiding things and going, i will get away with it _ hiding things and going, i will get away with it. you _ hiding things and going, i will get away with it. you want, _ hiding things and going, i will get away with it. you want, you - hiding things and going, i will get. away with it. you want, you know? 0k, away with it. you want, you know? 0k. movingm _ away with it. you want, you know? 0k. movingm ail— away with it. you want, you know? ok, moving... all right, _ away with it. you want, you know? ok, moving... all right, all- away with it. you want, you know? ok, moving... all right, all right, i ok, moving... all right, all right, i got you, i hearyou, are ok, moving... all right, all right, i got you, i hear you, are huge. backin i got you, i hear you, are huge. back in a second, mark moodie in worthing, i hope i got the pronunciation right, peter in eastbourne. —— mahmood. what would you like to say? eastbourne. -- mahmood. what would you like to say?— you like to say? good morning, thank ou for you like to say? good morning, thank you for having — you like to say? good morning, thank you for having me _ you like to say? good morning, thank you for having me on _ you like to say? good morning, thank you for having me on the _ you like to say? good morning, thank you for having me on the show, i you like to say? good morning, thank you for having me on the show, it i you like to say? good morning, thank you for having me on the show, it is l you for having me on the show, it is a pleasure talking to you and your colleagues. one thing i want to say too many viewers who support boris johnson, let's forget about the recent lies or covid et cetera. what has he actually done? is he really a politician? a. b, we elect politicians to work for us, the

country, what has he done apart from ruining the country with his policies? with his lies, with his ambition to get into downing street. he knows, and many people in the now fully understand that he lied and lied and lied, pulled the wool over people's eyes to get into downing street. what has he really done for the country? he is like trump, a divisive individual, he has done nothing good for us, and we are going to pay the price for years to come, unless we change course, based on his lies, getting us out of the european union. i am not going to get into the politics, but most people are fairly intelligent. why are we allowing this individual, a prolific liar who cannot help himself... why do we even consider to even think he is going to make a comeback and ruin the country even

more? what the hell is wrong with us? what is wrong with the public? he used the issue of immigration, like many of his colleagues now, using it to be divisive. he has lied consistently about issues that he knows, for one purpose, to suit him. and yet for the handful of mps who are hard to brexiteers, so to speak, they are all supporting a liar and continue to lie and lie. so the big question i am really asking many of your viewers, what has he done? what are you benefiting from, the three years that he was in power, what has he done that we can really see? the nhs, ruined. social care, ruined. mahmoud, i mean, you seem to be suggesting he has a troubled relationship with the truth. i want to get peter to respond to some of

the stuff you have said. peter, meets... great to have you one, likewise, peter, good morning, speak to mahmoud. it was quite a litany, wasn't it? ~ ., �* ., ., wasn't it? well, i don't want to get into a slanging _ wasn't it? well, i don't want to get into a slanging match _ wasn't it? well, i don't want to get into a slanging match with - wasn't it? well, i don't want to get into a slanging match with a i wasn't it? well, i don't want to get into a slanging match with a load i wasn't it? well, i don't want to get| into a slanging match with a load of nonsense — into a slanging match with a load of nonsense i— into a slanging match with a load of nonsense. i am into a slanging match with a load of nonsense. lam here into a slanging match with a load of nonsense. i am here to talk about these _ nonsense. i am here to talk about these so—called partygate. the fact that you _ these so—called partygate. the fact that you can have a government working — that you can have a government working from a terraced house in london _ working from a terraced house in london with about 400 500 people running _ london with about 400 500 people running around and they cannot stop and talk— running around and they cannot stop and talk about day's events that are going _ and talk about day's events that are going to _ and talk about day's events that are going to happen to britain without having _ going to happen to britain without having a _ going to happen to britain without having a cup of tea and a piece of cake _ having a cup of tea and a piece of cake macro — having a cup of tea and a piece of cake macro isjust laughable. it shouldn't— cake macro isjust laughable. it shouldn't have a role for that. and about _ shouldn't have a role for that. and about 14 _ shouldn't have a role for that. and about 14 million people at that time called _ about 14 million people at that time called covid, were they all keeping

to the _ called covid, were they all keeping to the rules? you know, you can't have _ to the rules? you know, you can't have a _ to the rules? you know, you can't have a government running the country— have a government running the country in — have a government running the country in that way, it is just stupidity _ country in that way, it is 'ust stupidity.�* country in that way, it is 'ust stuidi . ,, . ., ., stupidity. can you have a government makin: the stupidity. can you have a government making the rules _ stupidity. can you have a government making the rules who _ stupidity. can you have a government making the rules who are _ stupidity. can you have a government making the rules who are breaking i making the rules who are breaking the rules? ,, , ,, �* making the rules who are breaking the rules? ., , ., �* ., the rules? you shouldn't have... mahmoud. _ the rules? you shouldn't have... mahmoud, comeback, _ the rules? you shouldn't have... mahmoud, comeback, go - the rules? you shouldn't have... mahmoud, comeback, go on. i the rules? you shouldn't have... l mahmoud, comeback, go on. let's the rules? you shouldn't have... - mahmoud, comeback, go on. let's look at the broader — mahmoud, comeback, go on. let's look at the broader picture, _ mahmoud, comeback, go on. let's look at the broader picture, we're _ mahmoud, comeback, go on. let's look at the broader picture, we're not i at the broader picture, we're not talking about a cup of tea and a piece of cake. we have to look at deeper policies here. you can't access the nhs, ruined. three years he had come did he do? let's forget about... what about billions wasted on covid and wrong policies? that is nonsense. what _ on covid and wrong policies? that is nonsense. what about _ on covid and wrong policies? that is nonsense. what about social- on covid and wrong policies? that is nonsense. what about social care? | nonsense. what about social care? nonsense- — nonsense. what about social care? nonsense- i— nonsense. what about social care? nonsense. i don't _ nonsense. what about social care? nonsense. i don't know _ nonsense. what about social care? nonsense. i don't know what i nonsense. what about social care? nonsense. i don't know what job i nonsense. what about social care? i nonsense. i don't know what job you nonsense. i don't know what 'ob you do, but you — nonsense. i don't know what 'ob you do, but you con-ti nonsense. i don't know what 'ob you do, but you can't get i nonsense. i don't know what 'ob you do, but you can't get to i nonsense. i don't know what 'ob you do, but you can't get to see i nonsense. i don't know what job you do, but you can't get to see a - nonsense. i don't know what job you do, but you can't get to see a gp... l do, but you can't get to see a gp... oh, rubbish. do, but you can't get to see a gp... 0h, rubbish-— do, but you can't get to see a gp... 0h, rubbish. you are following what the tabloid is _ 0h, rubbish. you are following what the tabloid is telling _ 0h, rubbish. you are following what the tabloid is telling you. _ 0h, rubbish. you are following what the tabloid is telling you. you i 0h, rubbish. you are following what the tabloid is telling you. you are i the tabloid is telling you. you are a nutter. don't _

the tabloid is telling you. you are a nutter. don't talk _ the tabloid is telling you. you are a nutter. don't talk daft! - the tabloid is telling you. you are a nutter. don't talk daft! let i the tabloid is telling you. you are a nutter. don't talk daft! let me | a nutter. don't talk daft! let me let peter come _ a nutter. don't talk daft! let me let peter come back _ a nutter. don't talk daft! let me let peter come back and - a nutter. don't talk daft! let me let peter come back and that. i a nutter. don't talk daft! let me i let peter come back and that. hang on a wee second, let's focus that you have clearly said you don't think lockdown matters and it was all exaggerated and he has been pilloried for it unnecessarily, you have made a point, peter. do you smell a rat here with the fact that this has come up again? filth. smell a rat here with the fact that this has come up again?— this has come up again? ch, of course i this has come up again? ch, of course i do- _ this has come up again? ch, of course i do. it— this has come up again? ch, of course i do. it is— this has come up again? ch, of course i do. it is the _ this has come up again? ch, of course i do. it is the biggest i this has come up again? ch, of course i do. it is the biggest to | course i do. it is the biggest to stitch— course i do. it is the biggest to stitch up— course i do. it is the biggest to stitch up in— course i do. it is the biggest to stitch up in history, isn't it? boris — stitch up in history, isn't it? borisjohnson actually stitch up in history, isn't it? boris johnson actually is probably one of— boris johnson actually is probably one of the best prime ministers we have ever— one of the best prime ministers we have ever had. especially in peacetime, peacetime. i mean, who is better, _ peacetime, peacetime. i mean, who is better, not— peacetime, peacetime. i mean, who is better, not tony blair, who got us into an _ better, not tony blair, who got us into an illegal war and closed down all the _ into an illegal war and closed down all the playing fields in schools! what _ all the playing fields in schools! what a — all the playing fields in schools! what a load of rubbish he was. and gordon— what a load of rubbish he was. and gordon brown, who was supposed to have been— gordon brown, who was supposed to have been the prudent chancellor and

sold all— have been the prudent chancellor and sold all the _ have been the prudent chancellor and sold all the gold at a lowdown price — sold all the gold at a lowdown price you _ sold all the gold at a lowdown price. you know, i mean, and now we have _ price. you know, i mean, and now we have got— price. you know, i mean, and now we have got the — price. you know, i mean, and now we have got the most boring man in history, — have got the most boring man in history, starmer, waiting to come into power— history, starmer, waiting to come into power cuts we have got the biggest — into power cuts we have got the biggest stitch up in history... i would — biggest stitch up in history... i would rather watch paint dry! the bi est would rather watch paint dry! twe: biggest stitch up in would rather watch paint dry! tye: biggest stitch up in history, the most boring man in history, the greatest prime minister in peacetime history. that is quite a triumvirate of claims! go on, dan. mt; history. that is quite a triumvirate of claims! go on, dan.— of claims! go on, dan. my mother told me a — of claims! go on, dan. my mother told me a million _ of claims! go on, dan. my mother told me a million times _ of claims! go on, dan. my mother told me a million times not i of claims! go on, dan. my mother told me a million times not to i told me a million times not to e>

it is the truth. nicky come up one last comment. listen, there is time, i am last comment. listen, there is time, i am looking — last comment. listen, there is time, i am looking at— last comment. listen, there is time, i am looking at a _ last comment. listen, there is time, i am looking at a text _ last comment. listen, there is time, i am looking at a text wait _ last comment. listen, there is time, i am looking at a text wait a - i am looking at a text wait a minute, everybody. as thejudge i am looking at a text wait a minute, everybody. as the judge and final arbiter of who talks one, let mejust ask for a final arbiter of who talks one, let me just ask for a little bit of silence and bring dan in ravenglass back. do you want to come back on anything you have heard? t back. do you want to come back on anything you have heard?— anything you have heard? i do... nonsense! _ anything you have heard? i do... nonsense! l— anything you have heard? i do... nonsense! i have _ anything you have heard? i do... nonsense! i have resettled i anything you have heard? i do... | nonsense! i have resettled myself anything you have heard? i do... i nonsense! i have resettled myself to anter nonsense! i have resettled myself to an t er each nonsense! i have resettled myself to anger each time. _ nonsense! i have resettled myself to anger each time, and _ nonsense! i have resettled myself to anger each time, and peter- nonsense! i have resettled myself to anger each time, and peter come i nonsense! i have resettled myself to anger each time, and peter come up| anger each time, and peter come up with the greatest respect there, you have an opinion, but you are trying to understand the facts here... your facts are a — to understand the facts here... your facts are a load _ to understand the facts here. .. your facts are a load of— to understand the facts here... your facts are a load of lies! _ to understand the facts here... your facts are a load of lies! your facts are rubbish — facts are a load of lies! your facts are rubbish-— are rubbish. this is... wait a minute- _ are rubbish. this is... wait a minute. facts _ are rubbish. this is... wait a minute. facts are _ are rubbish. this is... wait a minute. facts are facts. i are rubbish. this is... wait a| minute. facts are facts. let's investigate what are the facts. you tell me who _ investigate what are the facts. you tell me who is _ investigate what are the facts. you tell me who is better. tell me who is better~ — tell me who is better. tell me who is better. ~ ., ., is better. wait a minute, peter. dan, is better. wait a minute, peter.

dan. gave _ is better. wait a minute, peter. dan. gave us — is better. wait a minute, peter. dan. gave us a _ is better. wait a minute, peter. dan, gave us a fact. _ is better. wait a minute, peter. dan, gave us a fact. i— is better. wait a minute, peter. dan, gave us a fact. i don't i is better. wait a minute, peter. | dan, gave us a fact. i don't want is better. wait a minute, peter. i dan, gave us a fact. i don't want to listen to that _ dan, gave us a fact. i don't want to listen to that nonsense. _ dan, gave us a fact. i don't want to listen to that nonsense. the i dan, gave us a fact. i don't want to | listen to that nonsense. the people who lied about _ listen to that nonsense. the people who lied about the _ listen to that nonsense. the people who lied about the people - listen to that nonsense. the people who lied about the people he i listen to that nonsense. the people | who lied about the people he meets and the work is conducted during lockdown, and it is now proven that the people he associated with had no legal right to meet under the conditions that the government described. they were not conducting work, it was a social event, people were fined, boris wasn't found at the time, for whatever reason, that is a fact. they were not conducting business when they were meeting, it was a social. business when they were meeting, it was a social-— was a social. well, you know what the sa , was a social. well, you know what they say. you _ was a social. well, you know what they say. you can _ was a social. well, you know what they say, you can have _ was a social. well, you know what they say, you can have your- was a social. well, you know what they say, you can have your own l they say, you can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts. we will bring tame in fakenham injust a own facts. we will bring tame in fakenham in just a second, own facts. we will bring tame in fakenham injust a second, good morning, how are you doing? film. fakenham in just a second, good morning, how are you doing? 0h, not too bad, morning, how are you doing? 0h, not too bad. just — morning, how are you doing? 0h, not too bad, just getting _ morning, how are you doing? 0h, not too bad, just getting old, _ morning, how are you doing? 0h, not too bad, just getting old, but - morning, how are you doing? 0h, not too bad, just getting old, but there i too bad, just getting old, but there we go! _ too bad, 'ust getting old, but there we no! , ., too bad, 'ust getting old, but there we .0! , ., ., too bad, 'ust getting old, but there we no! , ., ., , we go! there is none of us getting ounuer. we go! there is none of us getting younger- dan. _ we go! there is none of us getting younger. dan, can _ we go! there is none of us getting younger. dan, can you _ we go! there is none of us getting younger. dan, can you focus - we go! there is none of us getting younger. dan, can you focus on i younger. dan, can you focus on something for me? why has this come

out now? remove yourself from your antipathy... it out now? remove yourself from your antipathy- - -— antipathy... it is a matter of scale here. do antipathy... it is a matter of scale here- do you _ antipathy... it is a matter of scale here. do you not _ antipathy... it is a matter of scale here. do you not think, _ antipathy... it is a matter of scale here. do you not think, you - antipathy... it is a matter of scale | here. do you not think, you know, laser in on — here. do you not think, you know, laser in on this, _ here. do you not think, you know, laser in on this, do _ here. do you not think, you know, laser in on this, do not _ here. do you not think, you know, laser in on this, do not think - here. do you not think, you know, laser in on this, do not think it - here. do you not think, you know, laser in on this, do not think it is l laser in on this, do not think it is suspicious that this has come out now? is suspicious that this has come out now? , ., , . ., , now? is it a stitch up? no. it is johnson. _ now? is it a stitch up? no. it is johnson, unfortunately, - now? is it a stitch up? no. it is johnson, unfortunately, tellingj now? is it a stitch up? no. it is. johnson, unfortunately, telling so johnson, unfortunately, telling so many porky pies that eventually the situation has come crashing down. i mean, the fact is, his own legal team, orthe mean, the fact is, his own legal team, or the team that has been paid for by the taxpayer to represent him, i think for by the taxpayer to represent him, ithink it for by the taxpayer to represent him, i think it is for the covid inquiry, have unearthed certain information that may be a breach of the law. so this is not like a cabal of people plotting within the conservatives or some other political party, trying to bring down borisjohnson, this is his own

legal team saying, we found something here, it is potentially a breach of the law, we need to report it. so to say that they say is, you know, some kind of conspiracy is simply not true, it is the result of borisjohnson simply not true, it is the result of boris johnson telling simply not true, it is the result of borisjohnson telling so many lies, and yet being found out again. what and yet being found out again. what about the response _ and yet being found out again. what about the response that we are hearing from his allies this morning, saying they are absolutely furious? nick eardley confirmed that, i will give you one of the quotes again, a growing number of mps who want the leadership to act to stop these witch hunts, a group of mps will meet today to consider options. i wonder what that means. meanwhile, members across the country are being organised, and what is going on there? is the playbook we see from these particular individuals. there is a common strategy. whenever you are found out, we have seen this multiple times over the last year or

more, then you have potentially done something wrong, knowingly or unknowingly, there has been a breach of the law, you immediately go out, you mislead, and you obfuscate, gloucester, deny, attack, eventually apologised. —— gloucester will stop all the time say you have done nothing wrong. i'm tired of it. it is the typical response from a certain set of people within the conservative party. i certain set of people within the conservative party.— certain set of people within the conservative party. i want to hear from kaz in _ conservative party. i want to hear from kaz in brighton. _ conservative party. i want to hear from kaz in brighton. you - conservative party. i want to hear from kaz in brighton. you can - conservative party. i want to hear| from kaz in brighton. you can hear done, and now you can have your say. good morning. yeah, i'mjusta bit good morning. yeah, i'mjust a bit concerned. — good morning. yeah, i'mjust a bit concerned, because everybody is... i don't _ concerned, because everybody is... i don't know_ concerned, because everybody is... i don't know what the word is, persecuting for r5 for the mistakes he has _ persecuting for r5 for the mistakes he has made during covid, i am sure there _ he has made during covid, i am sure there were _ he has made during covid, i am sure there were a — he has made during covid, i am sure there were a lot more people in the whole _ there were a lot more people in the whole of— there were a lot more people in the whole of england, scotland and wales that have _ whole of england, scotland and wales that have all done a lot worse than what _ that have all done a lot worse than what he _ that have all done a lot worse than

what he has done, during the lockdown. i worked through covid. everybody — lockdown. i worked through covid. everybody was supposed to wear masks _ everybody was supposed to wear masks. we have people coming in, face—to—face, they were not wearing their masks— face—to—face, they were not wearing their masks and we were asking them to step _ their masks and we were asking them to step back. people were attacking staff for— to step back. people were attacking staff for it — to step back. people were attacking staff for it. you know, there are people — staff for it. you know, there are heapte like _ staff for it. you know, there are people like that out there, and mr johnson, — people like that out there, and mr johnson, he has brought us through lockdown, _ johnson, he has brought us through lockdown, he brought us through brexit _ lockdown, he brought us through brexit. everybody thinks he has done wrong, _ brexit. everybody thinks he has done wrong, but _ brexit. everybody thinks he has done wrong, but nobody gave him a pat on the hack— wrong, but nobody gave him a pat on the hack and — wrong, but nobody gave him a pat on the back and say, well done, mr johnson, — the back and say, well done, mr johnson, you have stepped up and help the _ johnson, you have stepped up and help the country. i don't believe the nhs — help the country. i don't believe the nhs has got worse since he was in power _ the nhs has got worse since he was in power. he the nhs has got worse since he was in ower. ., , in power. he said there would be £350 million _ in power. he said there would be £350 million a _ in power. he said there would be £350 million a week _ in power. he said there would be £350 million a week for - in power. he said there would be £350 million a week for the - in power. he said there would be £350 million a week for the nhs| in power. he said there would be | £350 million a week for the nhs if we left the eu. what do you mean he got us through brexit?— got us through brexit? well, it seems like _ got us through brexit? well, it seems like nobody _ got us through brexit? well, it seems like nobody else -

got us through brexit? well, it seems like nobody else wants | got us through brexit? well, it i seems like nobody else wants to got us through brexit? well, it - seems like nobody else wants to step up. everybody pushed him into doing it. up. everybody pushed him into doing it from _ up. everybody pushed him into doing it. from what i could see from my side of— it. from what i could see from my side of the — it. from what i could see from my side of the street, as it were, nobody— side of the street, as it were, nobody else wanted to step up. theresa — nobody else wanted to step up. theresa may laughed and obviously we have to _ theresa may laughed and obviously we have to vote. boris helped us get through— have to vote. boris helped us get through a — have to vote. boris helped us get through a lot. have to vote. boris helped us get through a lot-— have to vote. boris helped us get through a lot. sorry, how have you benefited? — through a lot. sorry, how have you benefited? how _ through a lot. sorry, how have you benefited? how has _ through a lot. sorry, how have you benefited? how has the _ through a lot. sorry, how have you benefited? how has the country i benefited? how has the country benefited? how has the country benefited? give me one example, please, and i will put the phone down and shut up. how have we benefited that he stepped up to the plate, told us lies, to get us out brexit? give me one example of how the country is better off, just one. well, he did get us through brexit and everything. i've got a job. you and everything. i've got a 'ob. you are and everything. i've got a 'ob. you totally — and everything. i've got a 'ob. you are totally right. i and everything. i've got a job. you. are totally right. medicines we can't get hold of. doctors, we are

short of doctors. we have social care destroyed. how has he benefited us? he stepped up to the plate, well done, i'll pat him on the back. as working class, and yourself who works for the nhs, and i'm grateful for your help, how has he helped the country? how will the decision that he took to go to downing street, how would that affect millions of others in the future? give me one example and i'll shut up, in the future? give me one example and i'llshut up, one in the future? give me one example and i'll shut up, one good thing he has done through getting us out of brexit, and i will pat him on the back. i will shake his hand on say, mrjohnson, i'm so sorry i called you a prolific liar. give me one example. you a prolific liar. give me one example-— you a prolific liar. give me one examle. ~ .,, example. when he was in power there was never any — example. when he was in power there was never any strikes. _ example. when he was in power there was never any strikes. there - example. when he was in power there was never any strikes. there was - was never any strikes. there was always— was never any strikes. there was always problems of having doctors and nurses. but we never had strikes — and nurses. but we never had strikes. now we have school teachers _ strikes. now we have school teachers-— strikes. now we have school teachers. . , ., teachers. let me answer that. high

inflation, because _ teachers. let me answer that. high inflation, because the _ teachers. let me answer that. high inflation, because the country - teachers. let me answer that. high inflation, because the country isn't| inflation, because the country isn't doing so well after brexit. now people cannot afford to pay their bills. that is why they are going on strike. that's another mess he got us into. the reason the strike started is because of him! now you are telling me you are defending him, he has done well, getting us out, stepped up to the plate. these are clearly complex _ out, stepped up to the plate. these are clearly complex matters - out, stepped up to the plate. these are clearly complex matters which l are clearly complex matters which deserve further attention. there is a central question this morning, whether you think this is a political stitch up of boris johnson. thank you, and kaz, thank you so much a deed. i johnson. thank you, and kaz, thank you so much a deed.— johnson. thank you, and kaz, thank you so much a deed. i am so grateful for the opportunity. _ you so much a deed. i am so grateful for the opportunity. absolutely - for the opportunity. absolutely grateful. thank you so much. all i wish is for the best for the people of the country. wish is for the best for the people of the country-— of the country. one day you will kiss boris _ of the country. one day you will kiss boris johnson's _ of the country. one day you will kiss boris johnson's hand, - of the country. one day you will kiss boris johnson's hand, as i of the country. one day you will. kiss boris johnson's hand, as you kiss borisjohnson's hand, as you said. he will kiss his ring. i will said. he will kiss his ring. i will say thank _ said. he will kiss his ring. i will say thank you _ said. he will kiss his ring. i will say thank you for _ said. he will kiss his ring. i will say thank you for everything i said. he will kiss his ring. in ii. say thank you for everything you've done. ., ~ say thank you for everything you've done. . ,, i. say thank you for everything you've done. ., ~' ,, , say thank you for everything you've done. . ,, i. , . done. thank you very much,

everybody- _ done. thank you very much, everybody. tim, _ done. thank you very much, everybody. tim, i— done. thank you very much, everybody. tim, iwill- done. thank you very much, everybody. tim, i will come | done. thank you very much, l everybody. tim, i will come to done. thank you very much, - everybody. tim, i will come to you. let's hear from you. everybody. tim, i will come to you. let's hearfrom you. we everybody. tim, i will come to you. let's hear from you. we have three mps later on and you can ask whatever you want. someone from labour, someone from the conservative party and someone from the scottish national party. more of your thoughts on whether this is a political stitch up. borisjohnson, lockdown, what is the question? is it a lockdown stitch up? get in touch. inflation has fallen below 10% — for the first time since august. official figures show prices went up by 8.7% in the year to april — down from march's 10.1. as we've been hearing

on the show, a spokesperson for borisjohnson has denied that the former prime minister committed further breaches of covid rules, calling the claims "another politically motivated stitch up". the cabinet office referred mrjohnson to the police, after reviewing documents about events at downing street and chequers. family court transcripts show how a council's plan for returning a baby to his parents was overruled, weeks before he was murdered by them. finley boden was killed by stephen boden and shannon marsden at their home in derbyshire on christmas day in 2020. a woman hit by a police motorbike escorting the duchess of edinburgh has died. the crash took place in earl's court in west london earlier this month. the family of helen holland, who was 81, said she had suffered "irreversible damage to her brain". now the sport with katie smith. valencia will appeal against their five—game partial stadium closure and a £39,000 fine following the racist abuse aimed at real madrid forward viniciusjunior.

they've called the sanctions unfair and disproportionate. sunday's match was briefly halted after vincius was subjected to racist chanting from the crowd. a valencia club statement reads "the fight against racism requires the real commitment of all the parties involved without using it as a pretext to incur serious injustices." pep guardiola says he'd like the premier league charges hanging over manchester city to be dealt with as soon as possible. the champions have been charged more than 100 breaches of financial rules. city have denied wrongdoing and wrapped up their third league title in a row at the weekend. city travel to brighton tonight. roberto di zerbi's been talking up defender lewis dunk for another england call—up. his only previous only cap was usa in 2018. gareth southgate names his squad this afternoon for upcoming euro 2024 qualfiers. and geraint thomas reclaimed the leaders jersey at the giro d'italia with a 2nd

place finish on stage 16 — he leads by 18 sec overall. we talk about what is on the front pages and what you are talking about. people are very animated by the borisjohnson question online. hundreds and hundreds of calls. when will the last borisjohnson phone in happen? i think there might be a few more. you have other prime ministers and other politicians. he was the

greatest peacetime politician according to peter, who called earlier. three politicians for you at ten o'clock, and you can ask them whatever you want. this week, the conservative mp for boston and skegness matt warman. the labour mp for wirral south — and shadow employment minister alison mcgovern and the snp mp for angus — and westminster defence spokesman dave doogan. got inflation, bradenton, immigration figures. —— suella braverman. food inflation is still painfully high. we had keir starmer setting out his stall for the nhs on monday. plenty to go out. but it's up monday. plenty to go out. but it's up to you, get your questions in now.

so, the former prime minister has been referred to the police over more potential rule breaking during covid lockdowns. it came to light when lawyers were looking at his diaries in light of the covid inquiry, and the alleged incidents happened at downing street and his country residence at chequers, hence the fact that the met are looking at it. the justice the fact that the met are looking at it. thejustice secretary the fact that the met are looking at it. the justice secretary alex the fact that the met are looking at it. thejustice secretary alex chalk says it has been dealt with properly. he's been speaking to bbc radio gloucestershire. irate properly. he's been speaking to bbc radio gloucestershire.— radio gloucestershire. we need to look calmly _ radio gloucestershire. we need to look calmly at _ radio gloucestershire. we need to look calmly at the _ radio gloucestershire. we need to look calmly at the situation. - radio gloucestershire. we need to look calmly at the situation. for i look calmly at the situation. for the covid inquiry, documentation has to be considered by lawyers so material can be provided so they can complete their full work. that was considered by lawyers. lawyers so material they had concerns about, they provided it to the civil service, entirely properly. the civil service considered it. without any ministerial involvement, i want to be clear about that, it's not a criticism of anybody, without any

ministerial involvement it was passed to the police. the civil servants would have had to consider the civil service code. if they have sat on it, people would criticise them for that. if they pass it on, others will criticise. they were put in a difficult position. ultimately, it comes down to what is in the documents, which i haven't seen, and i dare say you have not seen either. it is interesting, whether this stuff sticks to rishi sunak as well, sticks to the brand. they would hope not. there are a lot of internal ructions about borisjohnson and about boris johnson and disagreements. about borisjohnson and disagreements. tim, in fakenham. linda is coming up in st albans, and dave in hull. tim, head of you, i will read some text messages. good morning, nikki and the team. interested in the current discussion. my gran passed during covid. this family side is small, and i was not allowed to console

with my auntie during herfuneral. i had to sit alone and suck it up. the investigation into boris is entirely needed. thanks, ashley. that is the point, isn't it, tim?— point, isn't it, tim? yes. my point was quite — point, isn't it, tim? yes. my point was quite simple, _ point, isn't it, tim? yes. my point was quite simple, sooner- point, isn't it, tim? yes. my point was quite simple, sooner or - point, isn't it, tim? yes. my point was quite simple, sooner or later| was quite simple, sooner or later you have to let it go. i'm not defending anybody breaking the law. he did have to face the consequences. it sooner or later we have to let it go. we consequences. it sooner or later we have to let it go.— have to let it go. we have to move on, we have to let it go. we have to move on. we have _ have to let it go. we have to move on. we have to _ have to let it go. we have to move on, we have to consign _ have to let it go. we have to move on, we have to consign it - on, we have to consign it to history? another couple of text messages, this is a total stitch up, we need him back at number 10. another one, for god sake, no more boris bashing, it's boring, i'm losing the will to live and i'm not a tory voter. a lot of people coming on at not bashing, but are celebrating, they, not to bury caesar. ifjohnson has been stitched

up, and i doubt he has come he deserves to be. he stitch up the country using brexit to further his own narcissistic ambitions. andrew in cardiff. and why are you doing this topic on the phone in? you get the usual partisan and [con opinions. everyone will stick to their views. will anyone change their views. will anyone change their mind? johnson is clearly a lying, corrupt and lazy man. my view will never change because the evidence is clear, that is from richard in york. but you have had enough, tim? richard in york. but you have had enough. tim?_ richard in york. but you have had i enough, tim?_ simple enough, tim? yes, basically. simple as. linda, enough, tim? yes, basically. simple as- linda. in — enough, tim? yes, basically. simple as. linda, in st— enough, tim? yes, basically. simple as. linda, in st albans, _ enough, tim? yes, basically. simple as. linda, in st albans, have - enough, tim? yes, basically. simple as. linda, in st albans, have you - as. linda, in st albans, have you had enough?— as. linda, in st albans, have you had enouuh? ., ., had enough? good morning. i have, but i totally — had enough? good morning. i have, but i totally disagree. _ had enough? good morning. i have, but i totally disagree. during - but i totally disagree. during lockdown, boris was brilliant. he looked _ lockdown, boris was brilliant. he looked after the elderly, the disabled. i looked after the elderly, the disabled. lam looked after the elderly, the disabled. i am an ex nurse and i've

.ot disabled. i am an ex nurse and i've got to— disabled. i am an ex nurse and i've got to saym — disabled. i am an ex nurse and i've got to say- - -_ got to say... what about the care home deaths? _ got to say... what about the care home deaths? was _ got to say... what about the care home deaths? was it _ got to say... what about the care home deaths? was it his - got to say... what about the care home deaths? was it his fault i got to say... what about the care home deaths? was it his fault or| home deaths? was it his fault or the health ministers? _ home deaths? was it his fault or the health ministers? you _ home deaths? was it his fault or the health ministers? you can't- home deaths? was it his fault or the health ministers? you can't keep - home deaths? was it his fault or the health ministers? you can't keep an| health ministers? you can't keep an eye on— health ministers? you can't keep an eye on every— health ministers? you can't keep an eye on every little thing. 0r health ministers? you can't keep an eye on every little thing. or was at the hospital is kicking them out too soon? _ the hospital is kicking them out too soon? a the hospital is kicking them out too soon? ., . ~ the hospital is kicking them out too soon? ., ~ the hospital is kicking them out too soon? ., ., soon? matt hancock, saying that was necessa . soon? matt hancock, saying that was necessary- at — soon? matt hancock, saying that was necessary. at matt _ soon? matt hancock, saying that was necessary. at matt hancock, - soon? matt hancock, saying that was necessary. at matt hancock, where l necessary. at matt hancock, where does the buck stop? iflat necessary. at matt hancock, where does the buck stop?— necessary. at matt hancock, where does the buck stop? not with boris. i think he did _ does the buck stop? not with boris. i think he did an _ does the buck stop? not with boris. i think he did an awful _ does the buck stop? not with boris. i think he did an awful lot _ does the buck stop? not with boris. i think he did an awful lot for- does the buck stop? not with boris. i think he did an awful lot for us. i i think he did an awful lot for us. he is more down—to—earth, he connected with ordinary people. yes, he made mistakes. but everybody makes mistakes. rishi sunak has made mistakes. . . makes mistakes. rishi sunak has made mistakes. ,, ., ., ., ., mistakes. sheila, do you want to come in? — mistakes. sheila, do you want to come in? hello, _ mistakes. sheila, do you want to come in? hello, good _ mistakes. sheila, do you want to come in? hello, good morning. | mistakes. sheila, do you want to come in? hello, good morning. i mistakes. sheila, do you want to - come in? hello, good morning. i have not a come in? hello, good morning. i have got a different — come in? hello, good morning. i have

got a different view. _ come in? hello, good morning. i have got a different view. as _ come in? hello, good morning. i have got a different view. as with _ come in? hello, good morning. i have got a different view. as with some - got a different view. as with some of the _ got a different view. as with some of the other— got a different view. as with some of the other people _ got a different view. as with some of the other people who _ got a different view. as with some of the other people who have - got a different view. as with some i of the other people who have spoken already. _ of the other people who have spoken already. i— of the other people who have spoken already. i could — of the other people who have spoken already, i could catalogue _ of the other people who have spoken already, i could catalogue a - of the other people who have spoken already, i could catalogue a great - already, i could catalogue a great list of _ already, i could catalogue a great list of lies— already, i could catalogue a great list of lies that _ already, i could catalogue a great list of lies that boris _ already, i could catalogue a great list of lies that boris johnson - already, i could catalogue a great list of lies that borisjohnson has| list of lies that borisjohnson has perpetrated _ list of lies that borisjohnson has perpetrated over— list of lies that borisjohnson has perpetrated over the _ list of lies that borisjohnson has perpetrated over the years. - perpetrated over the years. certainly _ perpetrated over the years. certainly the _ perpetrated over the years. certainly the big _ perpetrated over the years. certainly the big red - perpetrated over the years. certainly the big red bus, i perpetrated over the years. - certainly the big red bus, saying the nhs — certainly the big red bus, saying the nhs would _ certainly the big red bus, saying the nhs would get _ certainly the big red bus, saying the nhs would get all _ certainly the big red bus, saying the nhs would get all this - certainly the big red bus, sayingl the nhs would get all this money when _ the nhs would get all this money when he — the nhs would get all this money when he did — the nhs would get all this money when he did brexit, _ the nhs would get all this money when he did brexit, the - the nhs would get all this money when he did brexit, the oven - the nhs would get all this money. when he did brexit, the oven ready deal that— when he did brexit, the oven ready deal that everybody— when he did brexit, the oven ready deal that everybody was _ when he did brexit, the oven ready deal that everybody was so - when he did brexit, the oven ready deal that everybody was so sick- when he did brexit, the oven ready deal that everybody was so sick ofl deal that everybody was so sick of the idea _ deal that everybody was so sick of the idea of— deal that everybody was so sick of the idea of not— deal that everybody was so sick of the idea of not getting _ deal that everybody was so sick of the idea of not getting anywhere i the idea of not getting anywhere with brexit. _ the idea of not getting anywhere with brexit, so _ the idea of not getting anywhere with brexit, so he _ the idea of not getting anywhere with brexit, so he had _ the idea of not getting anywhere with brexit, so he had this- the idea of not getting anywhere with brexit, so he had this ovenl with brexit, so he had this oven ready— with brexit, so he had this oven ready deal— with brexit, so he had this oven ready deal that _ with brexit, so he had this oven ready deal that was _ with brexit, so he had this oven ready deal that was alive, - with brexit, so he had this oven ready deal that was alive, it - with brexit, so he had this oven. ready deal that was alive, it wasn't ready— ready deal that was alive, it wasn't ready has— ready deal that was alive, it wasn't ready has not— ready deal that was alive, it wasn't ready has not worked _ ready deal that was alive, it wasn't ready has not worked very - ready deal that was alive, it wasn't ready has not worked very well. i ready has not worked very well. brexit _ ready has not worked very well. brexit has — ready has not worked very well. brexit has not— ready has not worked very well. brexit has not benefited - ready has not worked very well. - brexit has not benefited fishermen, i live brexit has not benefited fishermen, i live down — brexit has not benefited fishermen, l live down in— brexit has not benefited fishermen, i live down in cornwall. _ brexit has not benefited fishermen, i live down in cornwall. they- brexit has not benefited fishermen, i live down in cornwall. they have i i live down in cornwall. they have completely— i live down in cornwall. they have completely been _ i live down in cornwall. they have completely been betrayed, - i live down in cornwall. they have| completely been betrayed, really, and they— completely been betrayed, really, and they are — completely been betrayed, really, and they are very— completely been betrayed, really, and they are very dismayed - completely been betrayed, really, and they are very dismayed that i completely been betrayed, really, i and they are very dismayed that they voted _ and they are very dismayed that they voted for— and they are very dismayed that they voted for brexit, _ and they are very dismayed that they voted for brexit, although _ and they are very dismayed that they voted for brexit, although actually i voted for brexit, although actually my constituency _ voted for brexit, although actually my constituency didn't. _ voted for brexit, although actually my constituency didn't. but - voted for brexit, although actually my constituency didn't. but the i my constituency didn't. but the whole — my constituency didn't. but the whole thing _ my constituency didn't. but the whole thing of _ my constituency didn't. but the whole thing of lockdown, - my constituency didn't. but the whole thing of lockdown, the i whole thing of lockdown, the conservatives, _ whole thing of lockdown, the conservatives, we _ whole thing of lockdown, the conservatives, we are - whole thing of lockdown, thel conservatives, we are told, in whole thing of lockdown, the - conservatives, we are told, in 2016, through— conservatives, we are told, in 2016, through a _ conservatives, we are told, in 2016,

through a research _ conservatives, we are told, in 2016, through a research report, - conservatives, we are told, in 2016, through a research report, they- conservatives, we are told, in 2016, i through a research report, they were told that— through a research report, they were told that a _ through a research report, they were told that a pandemic _ through a research report, they were told that a pandemic was _ through a research report, they were told that a pandemic was inevitable i told that a pandemic was inevitable and they— told that a pandemic was inevitable and they were _ told that a pandemic was inevitable and they were told _ told that a pandemic was inevitable and they were told exactly - told that a pandemic was inevitable and they were told exactly what - told that a pandemic was inevitable and they were told exactly what to| and they were told exactly what to do, and they were told exactly what to do. stock — and they were told exactly what to do. stock up — and they were told exactly what to do. stock up on— and they were told exactly what to do, stock up on ppe, _ and they were told exactly what to do, stock up on ppe, to _ and they were told exactly what to do, stock up on ppe, to have - and they were told exactly what to| do, stock up on ppe, to have ready and they were told exactly what to i do, stock up on ppe, to have ready a system _ do, stock up on ppe, to have ready a system of— do, stock up on ppe, to have ready a system of distribution, _ do, stock up on ppe, to have ready a system of distribution, to _ do, stock up on ppe, to have ready a system of distribution, to work - system of distribution, to work out a track— system of distribution, to work out a track and — system of distribution, to work out a track and trace _ system of distribution, to work out a track and trace system _ system of distribution, to work out a track and trace system ready - system of distribution, to work out a track and trace system ready fori a track and trace system ready for the inevitable _ a track and trace system ready for the inevitable pandemic, - a track and trace system ready for the inevitable pandemic, to- a track and trace system ready for the inevitable pandemic, to stock| a track and trace system ready for i the inevitable pandemic, to stock up on their— the inevitable pandemic, to stock up on their hospital— the inevitable pandemic, to stock up on their hospital wards, _ the inevitable pandemic, to stock up on their hospital wards, the - on their hospital wards, the hospital— on their hospital wards, the hospital staff, _ on their hospital wards, the hospital staff, not - on their hospital wards, the hospital staff, notjust- on their hospital wards, the i hospital staff, not just doctors on their hospital wards, the - hospital staff, not just doctors and nurses, _ hospital staff, not just doctors and nurses, but — hospital staff, not just doctors and nurses, but all— hospital staff, not just doctors and nurses, but all the _ hospital staff, not just doctors and nurses, but all the rest. _ hospital staff, not just doctors and nurses, but all the rest. they- nurses, but all the rest. they suppress_ nurses, but all the rest. they suppress that _ nurses, but all the rest. they suppress that report. - nurses, but all the rest. they suppress that report. the - nurses, but all the rest. they- suppress that report. the reason, in my opinion, — suppress that report. the reason, in my opinion, is— suppress that report. the reason, in my opinion, isjeremy_ suppress that report. the reason, in my opinion, is jeremy hunt - suppress that report. the reason, in my opinion, isjeremy hunt had - my opinion, isjeremy hunt had written — my opinion, isjeremy hunt had written a — my opinion, isjeremy hunt had written a book— my opinion, isjeremy hunt had written a book on _ my opinion, isjeremy hunt had written a book on how - my opinion, isjeremy hunt had written a book on how to - my opinion, isjeremy hunt had i written a book on how to privatise the nhs — written a book on how to privatise the nhs they— written a book on how to privatise the nhs. they like _ written a book on how to privatise the nhs. they like to— written a book on how to privatise the nhs. they like to privatise - the nhs. they like to privatise things. — the nhs. they like to privatise things. they— the nhs. they like to privatise things, they did _ the nhs. they like to privatise things, they did it _ the nhs. they like to privatise things, they did it to _ the nhs. they like to privatise things, they did it to water, i the nhs. they like to privatise l things, they did it to water, rail. basically. — things, they did it to water, rail. basically. the _ things, they did it to water, rail. basically, the lockdown- things, they did it to water, rail. basically, the lockdown was - things, they did it to water, rail. basically, the lockdown was a i basically, the lockdown was a brilliant — basically, the lockdown was a brilliant way _ basically, the lockdown was a brilliant way of _ basically, the lockdown was a brilliant way of bringing - basically, the lockdown was a brilliant way of bringing the i basically, the lockdown was a i brilliant way of bringing the nhs basically, the lockdown was a - brilliant way of bringing the nhs to its knees _ brilliant way of bringing the nhs to its knees but— brilliant way of bringing the nhs to its knee �* �* ., , brilliant way of bringing the nhs to itsknee �* its knees but boris johnson was instinctively... _ its knees but boris johnson was instinctively... they _ its knees but boris johnson was instinctively... they could - its knees but boris johnson was instinctively... they could have | instinctively... they could have been more _ instinctively... they could have been more prepared. - instinctively... they could have been more prepared. sorry, i instinctively... they could have i been more prepared. sorry, boris johnson was _

been more prepared. sorry, boris johnson was instinctively... - been more prepared. sorry, boris johnson was instinctively... the i johnson was instinctively... the contract. _ johnson was instinctively. .. the contract. they— johnson was instinctively... the contract, they say _ johnson was instinctively... the contract, they say how could we have known _ contract, they say how could we have known that? — contract, they say how could we have known that? you _ contract, they say how could we have known that? you heard _ contract, they say how could we have known that? you heard dominic- known that? you heard dominic cummings, _ known that? you heard dominic cummings, sorry, _ known that? you heard dominic cummings, sorry, dominic- known that? you heard dominic. cummings, sorry, dominic scott, saying— cummings, sorry, dominic scott, saying how— cummings, sorry, dominic scott, saying how could _ cummings, sorry, dominic scott, saying how could they _ cummings, sorry, dominic scott, saying how could they know? - cummings, sorry, dominic scott, i saying how could they know? they cummings, sorry, dominic scott, - saying how could they know? they did know and _ saying how could they know? they did know and to _ saying how could they know? they did know and to say — saying how could they know? they did know and to say how— saying how could they know? they did know and to say how could _ saying how could they know? they did know and to say how could we - saying how could they know? they did know and to say how could we know. saying how could they know? they did know and to say how could we know is absolutely _ know and to say how could we know is absolutely a _ know and to say how could we know is absolutely a complete _ know and to say how could we know is absolutely a complete barefaced - know and to say how could we know is absolutely a complete barefaced lie. i absolutely a complete barefaced lie. and then _ absolutely a complete barefaced lie. and then they— absolutely a complete barefaced lie. and then they gave _ absolutely a complete barefaced lie. and then they gave loads _ absolutely a complete barefaced lie. and then they gave loads of- and then they gave loads of contracts— and then they gave loads of contracts saying _ and then they gave loads of contracts saying we - and then they gave loads of contracts saying we have . and then they gave loads of contracts saying we have to| and then they gave loads of. contracts saying we have to do and then they gave loads of- contracts saying we have to do it quickly _ contracts saying we have to do it quickly to — contracts saying we have to do it quickly to their— contracts saying we have to do it quickly to their mates. _ contracts saying we have to do it quickly to their mates. many - contracts saying we have to do it quickly to their mates. many of. quickly to their mates. many of those _ quickly to their mates. many of those contracts— quickly to their mates. many of those contracts were _ quickly to their mates. many of those contracts were bad - quickly to their mates. many of - those contracts were bad deliveries without _ those contracts were bad deliveries without it _ those contracts were bad deliveries without it opted _ those contracts were bad deliveries without it opted standard. - those contracts were bad deliveries without it opted standard.— without it opted standard. sheila, can ou without it opted standard. sheila, can you hear _ without it opted standard. sheila, can you hear me? _ without it opted standard. sheila, can you hear me? all _ without it opted standard. sheila, can you hear me? all relevant. i can you hear me? all relevant. members of the government should be in prison _ members of the government should be in prison that— members of the government should be in rison. ., , members of the government should be in rison. . , i. in prison. that is your view, we seek your _ in prison. that is your view, we seek your opinions. _ in prison. that is your view, we seek your opinions. but - in prison. that is your view, we seek your opinions. but i - in prison. that is your view, we j seek your opinions. but i would in prison. that is your view, we - seek your opinions. but i would say that... wait a minute. let mejust say something. sheila! sheila! can i just say something? hello. ijust want to just say something? hello. i just want to say

just say something? hello. ijust want to say something. listen, this is the passion that he arouses. clearly. he is and he was, it was quite clear, i do logically against the very notion of lockdown, and he was incredibly conflicted. that is true. the whole lockdown of christmas then, clearly that tore him apart and he was against it. but he had to go with it because he was advised to do so by the medical experts. red he was told he should have had lockdown a lot sooner than he did. let me go to gary in colchester. allow me to go to gary in colchester. sheila, i need to get other voices on. you've said a lot and you said it very well, a lot of people will agree with you. gary in colchester. good morning, gary. goad colchester. good morning, gary. good mornin: to colchester. good morning, gary. good morning to you — colchester. good morning, gary. good morning to you too. _ colchester. good morning, gary. good morning to you too. sheila _ colchester. good morning, gary. good morning to you too. sheila is - colchester. good morning, gary. good morning to you too. sheila is on - morning to you too. sheila is on fine form- _ morning to you too. sheila is on fine form. did _ morning to you too. sheila is on fine form. did hear _ morning to you too. sheila is on fine form. did hear a _ morning to you too. sheila is on

fine form. did hear a lot - morning to you too. sheila is on fine form. did hear a lot of- morning to you too. sheila is on fine form. did hear a lot of it. i l fine form. did hear a lot of it. i disauree fine form. did hear a lot of it. i disagree with _ fine form. did hear a lot of it. i disagree with a _ fine form. did hear a lot of it. i disagree with a lot _ fine form. did hear a lot of it. i disagree with a lot of - fine form. did hear a lot of it. i disagree with a lot of it, - fine form. did hear a lot of it. i disagree with a lot of it, but i fine form. did hear a lot of it. i disagree with a lot of it, but a l fine form. did hear a lot of it. i i disagree with a lot of it, but a lot of it was fair representation as well. sometimes when you want something heard you need to take a moment to let people do just what you're trying to say. moment to let people do 'ust what we trying to say._ moment to let people do 'ust what you're trying to say. maybe i should have done that. _ you're trying to say. maybe i should have done that. so, _ you're trying to say. maybe i should have done that. so, boris _ you're trying to say. maybe i should have done that. so, boris johnson. | have done that. so, boris johnson. he's a man. _ have done that. so, boris johnson. he's a man. he's — have done that. so, boris johnson. he's a man, he's a _ have done that. so, boris johnson. he's a man, he's a character, - have done that. so, boris johnson. he's a man, he's a character, isn't| he's a man, he's a character, isn't he? i5 he's a man, he's a character, isn't he? , for he's a man, he's a character, isn't he?- for me. _ he's a man, he's a character, isn't he?- for me, personally, i he's a man, he's a character, isn't| he?- for me, personally, we he? is he? for me, personally, we have all realised _ he? is he? for me, personally, we have all realised that _ he? is he? for me, personally, we have all realised that what - he? is he? for me, personally, we have all realised that what he - he? is he? for me, personally, we have all realised that what he was| have all realised that what he was presented to us was not really what he had in his own ambitions. the ambition he had really was to come out of europe, the brexit initiation was raised. and the idea was that he was raised. and the idea was that he was losing power within europe, and he wanted to have his own control of the uk. so he created this storyline, the evidence of it we will be richer, we won't have to pay

the rental agreement, the payments we have to the european union, we could utilise that money for the greater good of the uk. but within the brexit details, for example, the need for us to be a foreign person within the european union, it was things that were not clearly evidenced. so, he caused a lot of issues for us, as the young lady just said, with the fishermen and so on. the promises given to us as a new world have not really materialised in the way that he had presented, and we are all suffering for it. he presented, and we are all suffering for it. ., , for it. he said he was instinctively ro-eu, for it. he said he was instinctively pro-eu. in _ for it. he said he was instinctively pro-eu. in spite _ for it. he said he was instinctively pro-eu, in spite of _ for it. he said he was instinctively pro-eu, in spite of the _ for it. he said he was instinctively pro-eu, in spite of the stuff - for it. he said he was instinctively pro-eu, in spite of the stuff he i for it. he said he was instinctively i pro-eu, in spite of the stuff he had pro—eu, in spite of the stuff he had written before about bendy bananas. he said david cameron was on the fence but decided to be pro—eu. he switched because of political ambitions? i switched because of political ambitions?— switched because of political ambitions? ,, , ., , ., switched because of political ambitions? ,, , ., ambitions? i think his ambition was to be a greater— ambitions? i think his ambition was

to be a greater leader, _ ambitions? i think his ambition was to be a greater leader, or _ ambitions? i think his ambition was to be a greater leader, or in - to be a greater leader, or in greater control of the european union. when it was evidenced it wasn't going to materialise, he would turn his back.— wasn't going to materialise, he would turn his back. some people would turn his back. some people would say it _ would turn his back. some people would say it was _ would turn his back. some people would say it was more _ would turn his back. some people would say it was more about - would turn his back. some people| would say it was more about being prime minister. lesley in chislehurst. jackie, near hull. dave in hull. 0h, hulland hull. dave, good morning. what you think about what you're hearing? he has his fans. ., , ., , ., , �* fans. he does have his fans. i'd like to get _ fans. he does have his fans. i'd like to get back _ fans. he does have his fans. i'd like to get back to _ fans. he does have his fans. i'd like to get back to the - fans. he does have his fans. i'd like to get back to the actual i fans. he does have his fans. i'd i like to get back to the actual crux of the interview. it'sjust like to get back to the actual crux of the interview. it's just a like to get back to the actual crux of the interview. it'sjust a matter of the interview. it'sjust a matter of fate that his government was around when covid started. like it or not, the rules are made. the problem is here. he was caught, he denied it, they had to prove it, and he didn't really apologise. now there is mistrust on the guy, and this has come to the fore, people

believe it, it may be true, it may not be true. a lot of people are still mad because they went to funerals, ten people at a time, rather than the whole family. i went to my uncle's and i had to represent my side of the family. it was a very sad affair. funerals are. but it was even sadder because we couldn't hug, couldn't go to the wake. to find out he has possibly done this again, he is the head of the country, or was. he is prime minister. he has to set the standard. it he is prime minister. he has to set the standard-— he is prime minister. he has to set the standard._ it i the standard. it still matters? it does really _ the standard. it still matters? it does really matter, _ the standard. it still matters? it does really matter, yes. - the standard. it still matters? it does really matter, yes. he - the standard. it still matters? it| does really matter, yes. he sets the standard. it still matters? it - does really matter, yes. he sets the standard. he is the gold standard. he should not be breaking the rules. if he did, he should have confessed straightaway and he would possibly have been forgiven. lets straightaway and he would possibly have been forgiven.— have been forgiven. lets keep it in hull. jackie. _ have been forgiven. lets keep it in hull. jackie, good _ have been forgiven. lets keep it in hull. jackie, good morning. -

have been forgiven. lets keep it in hull. jackie, good morning. goodl hull. jackie, good morning. good morninu. hull. jackie, good morning. good morning. does _ hull. jackie, good morning. good morning. does this _ hull. jackie, good morning. good morning. does this still— hull. jackie, good morning. good morning. does this still matter? | hull. jackie, good morning. good . morning. does this still matter? no, it doesn't matter. _ morning. does this still matter? no, it doesn't matter. it's _ morning. does this still matter? no, it doesn't matter. it's in _ morning. does this still matter? no, it doesn't matter. it's in the - morning. does this still matter? no, it doesn't matter. it's in the past. i it doesn't matter. it's in the past. you think— it doesn't matter. it's in the past. you think of— it doesn't matter. it's in the past. you think of this poor man, he was chucked _ you think of this poor man, he was chucked in. — you think of this poor man, he was chucked in, into a pandemic into brexit _ chucked in, into a pandemic into brexit he — chucked in, into a pandemic into brexit. he had covid himself. what did he _ brexit. he had covid himself. what did he do— brexit. he had covid himself. what did he do for us? that man said he didn't— did he do for us? that man said he didn't do— did he do for us? that man said he didn't do anything for us, he paid everybody— didn't do anything for us, he paid everybody to stay at home, he kept us safe, _ everybody to stay at home, he kept us safe, he — everybody to stay at home, he kept us safe, he got us the vaccine. he .ot us safe, he got us the vaccine. he got through— us safe, he got us the vaccine. he got through brexit. itjust us safe, he got us the vaccine. he got through brexit. it just annoys me. got through brexit. it just annoys me it's — got through brexit. it just annoys me. it's the backstabbing again. it is political— me. it's the backstabbing again. it is political stitch up. who me. it's the backstabbing again. it is political stitch up.— is political stitch up. who is stitchinu is political stitch up. who is stitching him _ is political stitch up. who is stitching him up? _ is political stitch up. who is stitching him up? i - is political stitch up. who is stitching him up? i don't i is political stitch up. who is - stitching him up? i don't believe it is a political _ stitching him up? i don't believe it is a political stitch _ stitching him up? i don't believe it is a political stitch up _ stitching him up? i don't believe it is a political stitch up at _ stitching him up? i don't believe it is a political stitch up at all, - stitching him up? i don't believe it is a political stitch up at all, i - is a political stitch up at all, i think he's getting his just deserts. the thing for me, just one second, the thing for me is, when someone sets the rules, be it the parent in charge of the house, he sets the rules, be it the parent in charge of the house, be if the boss in charge of the company will be at the prime minister in charge of the country, they set rules and they set a punishment for anybody that broke

those rules. notjust one person, but anybody that broke those rules. now, if you walked out, like some of us did, i'm not saying i did, some of us did go for a walk when we shouldn't have done and so on and so forth, if you got caught, you had been punished. there are stories where people got fined thousands of pounds for sitting on a park bench, having a cup of coffee. if you are unlucky enough to be caught, you got punished. that's one thing. he's been caught, where is his punishment? because he is equal to us, he has two arms, two legs. he has been caught and fined. but. us, he has two arms, two legs. he| has been caught and fined. but the punishment _ has been caught and fined. but the punishment as _ has been caught and fined. but the punishment as a _ has been caught and fined. but the punishment as a lawyer, _ has been caught and fined. but the punishment as a lawyer, as - has been caught and fined. but the punishment as a lawyer, as a - punishment as a lawyer, as a politician, is he told lies to everybody to save his own skin. it's proven he has told lies. they are just delaying the decision making process to make it softer. it’s a

process to make it softer. it's a funny thing _ process to make it softer. it's a funny thing that _ process to make it softer. it's a funny thing that you _ process to make it softer. it's a funny thing that you can - process to make it softer. it's a funny thing that you can come l process to make it softer. it's a i funny thing that you can come on process to make it softer. it's a funny thing that you can come on and call a former prime minister a liar, and i don't feel under the normal obligations of saying well, he's not here to defend himself. it's a strange world that you normally have to say that. but there is a kind of acceptance. but to say that. but there is a kind of acceptance-— to say that. but there is a kind of accetance. �* , �* ., , acceptance. but the isn't one person in this country _ acceptance. but the isn't one person in this country that _ acceptance. but the isn't one person in this country that didn't _ acceptance. but the isn't one person in this country that didn't in - acceptance. but the isn't one person in this country that didn't in some i in this country that didn't in some small way break the lockdown rules. that was me. i am one of those. i am an absolute _ that was me. i am one of those. i am an absolute rule follower and i suffered _ an absolute rule follower and i suffered. i suffered tremendously because _ suffered. i suffered tremendously because i— suffered. i suffered tremendously because i didn't break any of the rules _ because i didn't break any of the rules i— because i didn't break any of the rules. i walked 200 yards from my house _ rules. i walked 200 yards from my house as _ rules. i walked 200 yards from my house as exercise, not meeting and stopping _ house as exercise, not meeting and stopping to — house as exercise, not meeting and stopping to talk to anybody. we had nobody _ stopping to talk to anybody. we had nobody in _ stopping to talk to anybody. we had nobody in our house for the whole duration— nobody in our house for the whole duration of— nobody in our house for the whole duration of lockdown, and we did all of the _ duration of lockdown, and we did all of the vaccination processes, even now: _ of the vaccination processes, even now. in _ of the vaccination processes, even now, i'm becoming an anti—vaxxer because _ now, i'm becoming an anti—vaxxer because of— now, i'm becoming an anti—vaxxer because of what we hear after the

fact _ because of what we hear after the fact there — because of what we hear after the fact. there are lots of issues where we were _ fact. there are lots of issues where we were misled. my point comes back to, if you _ we were misled. my point comes back to, if you broke the law and got caught, — to, if you broke the law and got caught, you should be sufficiently punished — caught, you should be sufficiently punished. and i do not believe he should _ punished. and i do not believe he should be — punished. and i do not believe he should be in the houses of parliament.— should be in the houses of parliament. �* ., , , parliament. i've got it. lesley, hanu on parliament. i've got it. lesley, hang on a _ parliament. i've got it. lesley, hang on a second, _ parliament. i've got it. lesley, hang on a second, i _ parliament. i've got it. lesley, hang on a second, i want - parliament. i've got it. lesley, hang on a second, i want to i parliament. i've got it. lesley,| hang on a second, i want to get voices on. lesley in chislehurst. how are you doing? i’m voices on. lesley in chislehurst. how are you doing?— voices on. lesley in chislehurst. how are you doing? i'm fine. i'm chuckfinu how are you doing? i'm fine. i'm chuckling about _ how are you doing? i'm fine. i'm chuckling about it _ how are you doing? i'm fine. i'm chuckling about it all, _ how are you doing? i'm fine. i'm chuckling about it all, listening i how are you doing? i'm fine. i'm| chuckling about it all, listening to the rage — chuckling about it all, listening to the rage and _ chuckling about it all, listening to the rage and all— chuckling about it all, listening to the rage and all the _ chuckling about it all, listening to the rage and all the rest - chuckling about it all, listening to the rage and all the rest of- chuckling about it all, listening to the rage and all the rest of it. - the rage and all the rest of it. what — the rage and all the rest of it. what i — the rage and all the rest of it. what i wanted _ the rage and all the rest of it. what i wanted to _ the rage and all the rest of it. what i wanted to say- the rage and all the rest of it. what i wanted to say was, - the rage and all the rest of it. i what i wanted to say was, first the rage and all the rest of it. - what i wanted to say was, first of all, what i wanted to say was, first of all. i_ what i wanted to say was, first of all. i was — what i wanted to say was, first of all. i was in — what i wanted to say was, first of all, i was in new— what i wanted to say was, first of all, i was in new zealand - what i wanted to say was, first of all, i was in new zealand when i all, i was in new zealand when lockdown— all, i was in new zealand when lockdown happened. _ all, i was in new zealand when lockdown happened. no- all, i was in new zealand whenl lockdown happened. no flights, couldn't— lockdown happened. no flights, couldn't get _ lockdown happened. no flights, couldn't get home, _ lockdown happened. no flights, couldn't get home, got - lockdown happened. no flights, couldn't get home, got stuck. lockdown happened. no flights, . couldn't get home, got stuck there in isolation — couldn't get home, got stuck there in isolation. and _ couldn't get home, got stuck there in isolation. and then— couldn't get home, got stuck there in isolation. and then i— couldn't get home, got stuck there in isolation. and then i managed i couldn't get home, got stuck there| in isolation. and then i managed to .et in isolation. and then i managed to get a _ in isolation. and then i managed to get a flight — in isolation. and then i managed to get a flight home _ in isolation. and then i managed to get a flight home after— in isolation. and then i managed to get a flight home after about - in isolation. and then i managed to get a flight home after about six . get a flight home after about six weeks — get a flight home after about six weeks that _ get a flight home after about six weeks. that was _ get a flight home after about six weeks. that was absolutely - weeks. that was absolutely extraordinary, _ weeks. that was absolutely extraordinary, the - weeks. that was absolutely . extraordinary, the experience. weeks. that was absolutely - extraordinary, the experience. let me ask

extraordinary, the experience. me ask you a question. we've extraordinary, the experience.- me ask you a question. we've got about three minutes. every time we have had a discussion about boris johnson, there are people who, in a normal run of life, do not come across people who love boris johnson, who are astounded... i love boris johnson- _ johnson, who are astounded... i love boris johnson. out _ johnson, who are astounded... i love boris johnson. out they _ johnson, who are astounded... i love boris johnson. out they are - boris johnson. out they are astounded _ boris johnson. out they are astounded by _ boris johnson. out they are astounded by the _ boris johnson. out they are astounded by the fact - boris johnson. out they are astounded by the fact that. boris johnson. out they are - astounded by the fact that there are so many people who love boris johnson. there is a reservoir of support for him. this is why people who are in his camp think that he is the once and future king, the prince over the water, and will come back, retain that throne. lesley, what do you like about him? that retain that throne. lesley, what do you like about him?— you like about him? at the end of the da , you like about him? at the end of the day. after _ you like about him? at the end of the day, after all _ you like about him? at the end of the day, after all of _ you like about him? at the end of the day, after all of that, - you like about him? at the end of the day, after all of that, all- you like about him? at the end of the day, after all of that, all of. the day, after all of that, all of this is— the day, after all of that, all of this is still— the day, after all of that, all of this is still going _ the day, after all of that, all of this is still going on. _ the day, after all of that, all of this is still going on. whetherl the day, after all of that, all of. this is still going on. whether he lied or— this is still going on. whether he lied or not. — this is still going on. whether he lied or not, he _ this is still going on. whether he lied or not, he gave _ this is still going on. whether he lied or not, he gave us— this is still going on. whether hel lied or not, he gave us something this is still going on. whether he - lied or not, he gave us something to laugh— lied or not, he gave us something to laugh about, — lied or not, he gave us something to laugh about, an— lied or not, he gave us something to laugh about, an awful _ lied or not, he gave us something to laugh about, an awful lot _ lied or not, he gave us something to laugh about, an awful lot to - lied or not, he gave us something to laugh about, an awful lot to laugh i laugh about, an awful lot to laugh about _ laugh about, an awful lot to laugh about with— laugh about, an awful lot to laugh about. with his _ laugh about, an awful lot to laugh about. with his antics. _ laugh about, an awful lot to laugh about. with his antics. [— laugh about, an awful lot to laugh about. with his antics. i did- laugh about, an awful lot to laugh

about. with his antics.— about. with his antics. i did not lauuh. i about. with his antics. i did not laugh- i laughed. _ about. with his antics. i did not laugh. i laughed, i— about. with his antics. i did not laugh. i laughed, ifound - about. with his antics. i did not laugh. i laughed, i found him i about. with his antics. i did not- laugh. i laughed, i found him highly amusina. i laugh. i laughed, i found him highly amusing- i am _ laugh. i laughed, i found him highly amusing. i am sure _ laugh. i laughed, i found him highly amusing. i am sure you _ laugh. i laughed, i found him highly amusing. i am sure you did. - laugh. i laughed, i found him highly amusing. i am sure you did. if- laugh. i laughed, i found him highly amusing. i am sure you did. if this. amusing. i am sure you did. if this ha--ens amusing. i am sure you did. if this happens again. — amusing. i am sure you did. if this happens again, there _ amusing. i am sure you did. if this happens again, there will - amusing. i am sure you did. if this happens again, there will not - amusing. i am sure you did. if this happens again, there will not be i happens again, there will not be able to enforce the rules.- able to enforce the rules. might have been _ able to enforce the rules. might have been comical, _ able to enforce the rules. might have been comical, but - able to enforce the rules. might have been comical, but it - able to enforce the rules. might have been comical, but it got i able to enforce the rules. mightl have been comical, but it got the 'ob have been comical, but it got the job done — have been comical, but it got the 'ob done. , , , .,, ., job done. lesley, the people who were not able _ job done. lesley, the people who were not able to _ job done. lesley, the people who were not able to see _ job done. lesley, the people who were not able to see their - job done. lesley, the people who were not able to see their loved i were not able to see their loved ones, who were not able to hold their mother's father's, their brothers and sisters hands, the people who were not able to go to funerals, the people who were isolated. they were not laughing. no. they were not laughing at all. i wasn't _ no. they were not laughing at all. i wasn't laughing _ no. they were not laughing at all. i wasn't laughing so _ no. they were not laughing at all. i wasn't laughing so much _ no. they were not laughing at all. i wasn't laughing so much in - no. they were not laughing at all. i i wasn't laughing so much in lockdown, because _ wasn't laughing so much in lockdown, because i_ wasn't laughing so much in lockdown, because i live — wasn't laughing so much in lockdown, because i live in _ wasn't laughing so much in lockdown, because i live in my— wasn't laughing so much in lockdown, because i live in my —— _ wasn't laughing so much in lockdown, because i live in my —— on— wasn't laughing so much in lockdown, because i live in my —— on my- wasn't laughing so much in lockdown, because i live in my —— on my own. i because i live in my —— on my own. at the _ because i live in my —— on my own. at the end — because i live in my —— on my own. at the end of— because i live in my —— on my own. at the end of the _ because i live in my —— on my own. at the end of the day, _ because i live in my —— on my own. at the end of the day, he _ because i live in my —— on my own. at the end of the day, he was - because i live in my —— on my own. at the end of the day, he was the i at the end of the day, he was the first person — at the end of the day, he was the first person to _ at the end of the day, he was the first person to go _ at the end of the day, he was the first person to go to _ at the end of the day, he was the first person to go to ukraine, - at the end of the day, he was the first person to go to ukraine, andj first person to go to ukraine, and offer— first person to go to ukraine, and offer support, _ first person to go to ukraine, and offer support, which— first person to go to ukraine, and offer support, which i— first person to go to ukraine, and offer support, which i admire - offer support, which i admire

immensely _ offer support, which i admire immensely. and _ offer support, which i admire immensely. and i— offer support, which i admire immensely. and i had - offer support, which i admire i immensely. and i had ukrainian guests— immensely. and i had ukrainian guests with _ immensely. and i had ukrainian guests with me, _ immensely. and i had ukrainian guests with me, i'm _ immensely. and i had ukrainian guests with me, i'm waiting - immensely. and i had ukrainian guests with me, i'm waiting for| immensely. and i had ukrainian- guests with me, i'm waiting for them to come _ guests with me, i'm waiting for them to come back— guests with me, i'm waiting for them to come back again. _ guests with me, i'm waiting for them to come back again. it _ guests with me, i'm waiting for them to come back again. it was _ guests with me, i'm waiting for them to come back again. it was one - guests with me, i'm waiting for them to come back again. it was one of. to come back again. it was one of the best— to come back again. it was one of the best things _ to come back again. it was one of the best things i've _ to come back again. it was one of the best things i've ever- to come back again. it was one of the best things i've ever done. . to come back again. it was one ofl the best things i've ever done. but apart— the best things i've ever done. but apart from — the best things i've ever done. but apart from that... _ the best things i've ever done. but apart from that... it's _ the best things i've ever done. but apart from that... it's done. - the best things i've ever done. but apart from that... it's done. i - apart from that... it's done. i can't — apart from that... it's done. i can't stand _ apart from that... it's done. i can't stand listening - apart from that... it's done. i can't stand listening to - apart from that... it's done. i i can't stand listening to people calling — can't stand listening to people calling him _ can't stand listening to people calling him a _ can't stand listening to people calling him a liar, _ can't stand listening to people calling him a liar, etc, - can't stand listening to people calling him a liar, etc, etc. - can't stand listening to people calling him a liar, etc, etc. at| can't stand listening to people . calling him a liar, etc, etc. at the end of— calling him a liar, etc, etc. at the end of the — calling him a liar, etc, etc. at the end of the day, _ calling him a liar, etc, etc. at the end of the day, we _ calling him a liar, etc, etc. at the end of the day, we have - calling him a liar, etc, etc. at the end of the day, we have actuallyl end of the day, we have actually had a lot to _ end of the day, we have actually had a lot to laugh— end of the day, we have actually had a lot to laugh about. _ end of the day, we have actually had a lot to laugh about. because - end of the day, we have actually had a lot to laugh about. because of - a lot to laugh about. because of boris _ a lot to laugh about. because of boris. �* , ., ~ a lot to laugh about. because of boris. �* , . ,, :: :: :: ., ., boris. he's taken £5,000 out of taxpayer's _ boris. he's taken £5,000 out of taxpayer's money _ boris. he's taken £5,000 out of taxpayer's money to _ boris. he's taken £5,000 out of taxpayer's money to defend - boris. he's taken £5,000 out of taxpayer's money to defend the | taxpayer's money to defend the actions that he talked, knowing that many of his actions were illegal and you are happy to pay that? do you realise part of that process is your cost as well? oil of course we all know. we are not silly people, we know. we are not silly people, we know what is happening. ii know. we are not silly people, we know what is happening.— know what is happening. if boris came back _ know what is happening. if boris came back tomorrow, _ know what is happening. if boris came back tomorrow, he - know what is happening. if boris came back tomorrow, he would | know what is happening. if boris i came back tomorrow, he would get know what is happening. if boris - came back tomorrow, he would get my vote 100%~ _

came back tomorrow, he would get my vote 100%. ~ ., ., ., ., , vote 10096. well. congratulations... i think we look _ vote 10096. well. congratulations... i think we look back _ vote 10096. well. congratulations... i think we look back on _ vote 10096. well. congratulations... i think we look back on it _ vote 10096. well. congratulations... i think we look back on it and - vote 10096. well. congratulations... i think we look back on it and some | i think we look back on it and some of his— i think we look back on it and some of his antics — i think we look back on it and some of his antics gave us amusement. thank— of his antics gave us amusement. thank you — of his antics gave us amusement. thank you very much indeed for the calls this morning on that. i wonder if it will be the last borisjohnson phone in. it is so interesting what the people think. i love it! so what do you want to ask? prime minister's questions at midday, you will be able to follow it here and across the bbc. between now and 11, a panel of mps will be taking your questions. they are the conservative mp for boston and skegness, matt warman, the labour mp for wirral south and shadow employment minister, alison mcgovern,

and the snp mp for angus and westminster defence spokesman dave doogan. get your questions in now. dave, alison, matt, three good politicians, i use the word advisedly when it comes to politicians, no, idon't, advisedly when it comes to politicians, no, i don't, they are hard—working, they are the good guys! get your questions in to 08085 909 693. questions to mp5 coming up. and yeah the thank you, nicky. —— and here is the news from karishma patel. thank you, nicky. the uk inflation rate has dropped

below 10% for the first time in eight months. official figures show the rate at which prices rose in april was 8.7%, down from 10.1% in march. food inflation dropped slightly but is still high at more than 19%. scotland yard and thames valley police say they're assessing information about potential further lockdown breaches by borisjohnson. a spokesperson for the former prime minister has denied the claims after a referral was made by the cabinet office. the police watchdog is to send investigators to cardiff after a fatal bike crash on monday night sparked widespread disorder in the ely area. south wales police had denied one of their vehicles was pursuing the bike, but security camera footage has called this into question. scientists at university college london have uncovered why a 75—year—old scottish woman feels virtually no pain, fear or anxiety. they've identified a genetic mutation that may also enhance wound healing. the findings could help research into pain management drugs.

yeah, good morning, welcome to our mps' panel, matt warman from the conservatives, mp for boston and skegness, good morning to you, good to have you on, and to have the three of you in vision as well. and i know that your wife works in the nhs, and so it will be interesting to hear your views on the current debate, and i'm sure you will have something to say about the sir keir starmer speech on the nhs this week and the tory plans for the nhs, big problems. so what does she do, your wife? , , , ., ., , wife? currently, she is on maternity leave, but wife? currently, she is on maternity leave. but she _ wife? currently, she is on maternity leave, but she is _ wife? currently, she is on maternity leave, but she is a _ wife? currently, she is on maternity leave, but she is a mixture - wife? currently, she is on maternity leave, but she is a mixture of- wife? currently, she is on maternity leave, but she is a mixture of a - wife? currently, she is on maternity leave, but she is a mixture of a gp. leave, but she is a mixture of a gp and a health policy person at the moment, so various different fingers in pies. moment, so various different fingers in ies. ~ ., , ., moment, so various different fingers in ies. . ., , ., ., moment, so various different fingers in ies.~ . .. ., .y in pies. what is a health policy erson in pies. what is a health policy person for— in pies. what is a health policy person for the _ in pies. what is a health policy person for the uninitiated? - in pies. what is a health policy i person for the uninitiated? trying to work out. _

person for the uninitiated? trying to work out, for _ person for the uninitiated? trying to work out, for instance, - person for the uninitiated? trying to work out, for instance, one . person for the uninitiated? trying to work out, for instance, one of| to work out, for instance, one of the project she has been doing, trying to work out how best to make sure that gps work with hospitals, and what should the standard pattern of behaviour be, if i can put it like that, when you want to refer someone for something, trying to smooth out some of the bumps on the road. ., ~ smooth out some of the bumps on the road. . ,, i. smooth out some of the bumps on the road. ., ~' ,, , smooth out some of the bumps on the road. . ,, i. , . road. thank you very much indeed, i look forward — road. thank you very much indeed, i look forward to _ road. thank you very much indeed, i look forward to hearing _ road. thank you very much indeed, i look forward to hearing your- road. thank you very much indeed, i | look forward to hearing your answers to questions from listeners. alison mcgovern, mp for wirral south, shadow employment minister, welcome back. welcome back! iii. shadow employment minister, welcome back. welcome back!— back. welcome back! hi, nicky! are ou hear back. welcome back! hi, nicky! are you hear me? _ back. welcome back! hi, nicky! are you hear me? can _ back. welcome back! hi, nicky! are you hear me? can we _ back. welcome back! hi, nicky! are you hear me? can we see _ back. welcome back! hi, nicky! are you hear me? can we see you - back. welcome back! hi, nicky! are you hear me? can we see you as i back. welcome back! hi, nicky! are i you hear me? can we see you as well? we have a double _ you hear me? can we see you as well? we have a double thing _ you hear me? can we see you as well? we have a double thing going - you hear me? can we see you as well? we have a double thing going on, - we have a double thing going on, radio and television. this is a good one, a member of the women's parliamentary football team, you got into trouble for having a kickabout into trouble for having a kickabout in the house of commons, this is disgraceful, this is fifth form behaviour of the very worst sort! what happened? we behaviour of the very worst sort! what happened?— behaviour of the very worst sort! what happened? behaviour of the very worst sort! what hauened? ~ , ., what happened? we were supposed to -la our first what happened? we were supposed to play our first match _ what happened? we were supposed to play our first match that _ what happened? we were supposed to play our first match that evening, - play our first match that evening, and there — play our first match that evening, and there was a vote at an

unexpected time, so myself and tracey— unexpected time, so myself and tracey crouch and hannah bardell, who are _ tracey crouch and hannah bardell, who are the co—captains of the team had to— who are the co—captains of the team had to go— who are the co—captains of the team had to go and vote in allocate and, you know. — had to go and vote in allocate and, you know, one thing led to another, nicky _ you know, one thing led to another, nicky but _ you know, one thing led to another, nicky. but no damage was done, and we obviously apologised to the speaker, but i was very pleased that, _ speaker, but i was very pleased that, overall, the women's parliamentary football team has promoted women playing football and, you know. _ promoted women playing football and, you know, the fact that we can come together— you know, the fact that we can come together in— you know, the fact that we can come together in a — you know, the fact that we can come together in a cross—party way and take some — together in a cross—party way and take some of the stresses and strains — take some of the stresses and strains of— take some of the stresses and strains of politics out by playing football, — strains of politics out by playing football, i think, strains of politics out by playing football, ithink, is strains of politics out by playing football, i think, is a good thing, and we _ football, i think, is a good thing, and we also _ football, i think, is a good thing, and we also work together to support the development of women's football as well _ the development of women's football as well. 3�*0 the development of women's football as well. :: , , ., the development of women's football aswell. ii, , ., ., . , , as well. 70 plus thousand at wembley the other day. — as well. 70 plus thousand at wembley the other day, extraordinary, - the other day, extraordinary, brilliant. �* ., the other day, extraordinary, brilliant. . . ., brilliant. amazing, and when i started watching _ brilliant. amazing, and when i started watching liverpool - brilliant. amazing, and when i. started watching liverpool women about _ started watching liverpool women about ten — started watching liverpool women about ten years ago now, there was about— about ten years ago now, there was about 500 _ about ten years ago now, there was about 500 of us in the stadium in widnes, — about 500 of us in the stadium in widnes, and now liverpool women regularly— widnes, and now liverpool women regularly get guides of over 4000, and i_ regularly get guides of over 4000, and i think— regularly get guides of over 4000, and i think in years to come, in

another— and i think in years to come, in anotherten— and i think in years to come, in anotherten years to and i think in years to come, in another ten years to come, we will fail anfield — another ten years to come, we will fail anfield regularly, another ten years to come, we will failanfield regularly, i another ten years to come, we will fail anfield regularly, i cannot wait — failanfield regularly, i cannot wait. ., ,, ~ failanfield regularly, i cannot wait. . ,, ~ ., ., wait. dave doogan, snp mp, what team do ou wait. dave doogan, snp mp, what team do you support? — wait. dave doogan, snp mp, what team do you support? arbroath, _ wait. dave doogan, snp mp, what team do you support? arbroath, and - wait. dave doogan, snp mp, what team do you support? arbroath, and i - wait. dave doogan, snp mp, what team do you support? arbroath, and i have i do you support? arbroath, and i have a soft sot do you support? arbroath, and i have a soft spot for — do you support? arbroath, and i have a soft spot for saint _ do you support? arbroath, and i have a soft spot for saint johnstone - do you support? arbroath, and i have a soft spot for saint johnstone in - a soft spot for saintjohnstone in my hometown— a soft spot for saintjohnstone in my hometown as _ a soft spot for saintjohnstone in my hometown as well. _ a soft spot for saintjohnstone in my hometown as well. arbroathl a soft spot for saint johnstone in - my hometown as well. arbroath stayed up my hometown as well. arbroath stayed up on _ my hometown as well. arbroath stayed up on the _ my hometown as well. arbroath stayed up on the championship _ my hometown as well. arbroath stayed up on the championship this _ my hometown as well. arbroath stayed up on the championship this season, i up on the championship this season, so it is— up on the championship this season, so it is all— up on the championship this season, so it is all good _ up on the championship this season, so it is all good. do _ up on the championship this season, so it is all good.— so it is all good. do they play in maroon, arbroath? _ so it is all good. do they play in maroon, arbroath? they - so it is all good. do they play in maroon, arbroath? they do, i so it is all good. do they play in. maroon, arbroath? they do, and so it is all good. do they play in - maroon, arbroath? they do, and the stadium is the _ maroon, arbroath? they do, and the stadium is the closest _ maroon, arbroath? they do, and the stadium is the closest to _ maroon, arbroath? they do, and the stadium is the closest to the - maroon, arbroath? they do, and the stadium is the closest to the sea - maroon, arbroath? they do, and the stadium is the closest to the sea in i stadium is the closest to the sea in any of— stadium is the closest to the sea in any of the — stadium is the closest to the sea in any of the islands. _ stadium is the closest to the sea in any of the islands.— stadium is the closest to the sea in any of the islands. there are better teams that play _ any of the islands. there are better teams that play in _ any of the islands. there are better teams that play in maroon - any of the islands. there are better teams that play in maroon in - teams that play in maroon in scotland, let mejust teams that play in maroon in scotland, let me just tell you that. a serious issue debate!— a serious issue debate! loads of calls on boris — a serious issue debate! loads of calls on boris johnson _ a serious issue debate! loads of calls on boris johnson this - a serious issue debate! loads of. calls on boris johnson this morning, calls on borisjohnson this morning, and i can heara calls on borisjohnson this morning, and i can hear a collective sigh, but it is graham in eastbourne, good morning. hello, graham! do we have you? morning. hello, graham! do we have ou? ., , ., morning. hello, graham! do we have ou? ., ,., , you? hello, nicky! it is all yours, what do you _ you? hello, nicky! it is all yours, what do you want _ you? hello, nicky! it is all yours, what do you want to _

you? hello, nicky! it is all yours, what do you want to say? - you? hello, nicky! it is all yours, what do you want to say? i - you? hello, nicky! it is all yours, what do you want to say? i think| what do you want to say? i think anybody who doesn't vote tory is scared stiff of boris, and they want to stir up as much trouble as they can just to keep to stir up as much trouble as they canjust to keep him out. and i think the tories, they were scared, they thought they were going to lose their jobs they thought they were going to lose theirjobs — they wouldn't, he would have got them through. because i mean, when he was prime minister during the covid, he had to work 24 hours a day, seven days a week. no other person had to do that, he had to be on call day and night, and yet they are saying, well, you shouldn't talk to people. of course he had to talk to people. of course he had to talk to people. of course he had to talk to people, he had to have people there, he got covid himself. you think he has been stitched up? yeah. cos they are scared stiff of him. ~ , ., , yeah. cos they are scared stiff of him. _.. yeah. cos they are scared stiff of him. , , '., him. why are they scared stiff of him? cos he _ him. why are they scared stiff of him? cos he is _ him. why are they scared stiff of him? cos he is a _ him. why are they scared stiff of him? cos he is a winner? - him. why are they scared stiff of

him? cos he is a winner? yap. i him. why are they scared stiff of- him? cos he is a winner? yap. dave, i have come — him? cos he is a winner? yap. dave, i have come to _ him? cos he is a winner? yap. dave, i have come to the _ him? cos he is a winner? jan dave, i have come to the conclusion that you are not the biggest fan of boris johnson. i you are not the biggest fan of boris johnson. �* ~' ., you are not the biggest fan of boris johnson. �* ,, ., i. ., you are not the biggest fan of boris johnson. �* ~' ., , ., . . johnson. i didn't know you are that roficient johnson. i didn't know you are that proficient at _ johnson. i didn't know you are that proficient at understatement, - johnson. i didn't know you are that i proficient at understatement, nicky! it proficient at understatement, nicky! it has _ proficient at understatement, nicky! it has taken months of research to come up with that!— it has taken months of research to come up with that! graham, i hear what ou come up with that! graham, i hear what you are _ come up with that! graham, i hear what you are saying, _ come up with that! graham, i hear what you are saying, if— come up with that! graham, i hear what you are saying, if i _ come up with that! graham, i hear what you are saying, if i could - what you are saying, if i could gently — what you are saying, if i could gently disagree with you... no, that is fine. gently disagree with you... no, that is fine- the — gently disagree with you... no, that is fine. the boris _ gently disagree with you... no, that is fine. the boris myth _ gently disagree with you... no, that is fine. the boris myth that - gently disagree with you... no, that is fine. the boris myth that he - gently disagree with you... no, that is fine. the boris myth that he is . is fine. the boris myth that he is some sort _ is fine. the boris myth that he is some sort of _ is fine. the boris myth that he is some sort of derring-do - is fine. the boris myth that he is some sort of derring-do risk- is fine. the boris myth that he is. some sort of derring-do risk taker some sort of derring—do risk taker who sailed — some sort of derring—do risk taker who sailed close to the winter but .ets who sailed close to the winter but gets the _ who sailed close to the winter but gets the job done, i would suggest it is utter— gets the job done, i would suggest it is utter fantasy. he is an ineffectual politician, a great showman, he cast some kind of magic boris _ showman, he cast some kind of magic boris dust— showman, he cast some kind of magic boris dust over the brexit campaign and the _ boris dust over the brexit campaign and the tory party more generally to find himself in the topjob. but he was no _ find himself in the topjob. but he was no sooner in the job done things started _ was no sooner in the job done things started to _ was no sooner in the job done things started to turn sour quickly, and you are — started to turn sour quickly, and you are right, he had to do a lot as the uk _ you are right, he had to do a lot as the uk prime minister during covid, but he _ the uk prime minister during covid, but he didn't have to do it with a glass— but he didn't have to do it with a glass in— but he didn't have to do it with a glass in his _ but he didn't have to do it with a glass in his hand, with cases of booze — glass in his hand, with cases of booze going in and out of number ten

while people were dying in care homes — while people were dying in care homes with the want of their family coming _ homes with the want of their family coming anywhere near them, homes with the want of their family coming anywhere nearthem, he homes with the want of their family coming anywhere near them, he showed an abiect _ coming anywhere near them, he showed an abject lack of passion, almost a sociological indifference to the suffering of others, while he made sure he _ suffering of others, while he made sure he got exactly what he wanted, whenever— sure he got exactly what he wanted, whenever he wanted it. there was no lockdown _ whenever he wanted it. there was no lockdown for — whenever he wanted it. there was no lockdown for boris johnson, the whenever he wanted it. there was no lockdown for borisjohnson, the same as we _ lockdown for borisjohnson, the same as we were _ lockdown for borisjohnson, the same as we were locked down away from families— as we were locked down away from families and loved ones, so that is the covid — families and loved ones, so that is the covid bid squared away. then you look at _ the covid bid squared away. then you look at his— the covid bid squared away. then you look at his record, his lamentable performance, otherthan look at his record, his lamentable performance, other than baseless, hollow, _ performance, other than baseless, hollow, often patently untrue rhetoric — hollow, often patently untrue rhetoric that he spewed forth in the house _ rhetoric that he spewed forth in the house of— rhetoric that he spewed forth in the house of commons, and before the news _ house of commons, and before the news we heard about lots of people in england, i would suggest, find a tremendously amusing. people in scotland — tremendously amusing. people in scotland do not find it amusing, and they are _ scotland do not find it amusing, and they are paying a heavy price for his actions— they are paying a heavy price for his actions and inactions.- his actions and inactions. well, for: ive his actions and inactions. well, forgive me. _ his actions and inactions. well, forgive me, but— his actions and inactions. well, forgive me, but i _ his actions and inactions. well, forgive me, but i am _ his actions and inactions. well, | forgive me, but i am recovering his actions and inactions. well, - forgive me, but i am recovering from a stroke, so it is difficult to remember what you have been saying, but, a, what would you have been saying if he had died from covid?

and, b, winston churchill was well known to drink a lot during the war. brandy. din known to drink a lot during the war. brand . . ., , ., brandy. an odd thing is that he did, and et he brandy. an odd thing is that he did, and yet he got _ brandy. an odd thing is that he did, and yet he got his _ brandy. an odd thing is that he did, and yet he got his job _ brandy. an odd thing is that he did, and yet he got his job done. - brandy. an odd thing is that he did, and yet he got his job done. your. and yet he got his 'ob done. your oint is and yet he got his job done. your point is interesting, _ and yet he got his job done. your point is interesting, if _ and yet he got his job done. your point is interesting, if we - and yet he got hisjob done. your point is interesting, if we apply the standards of the present to the past, many great prime ministers would have fallen by the wayside, similarly american presidents as well. the essence of your point is that he has a stardust, right, graham? star quality.- that he has a stardust, right, graham? star quality. yep, at the top there- — graham? star quality. yep, at the top there- i _ graham? star quality. yep, at the top there. i wish _ graham? star quality. yep, at the top there. i wish you _ graham? star quality. yep, at the top there. i wish you well- graham? star quality. yep, at the top there. i wish you well in - graham? star quality. yep, at the top there. i wish you well in your| top there. i wish you well in your recovery- — top there. i wish you well in your recovery- matt — top there. i wish you well in your recovery. matt warman, - top there. i wish you well in your - recovery. matt warman, conservative mp for boston and skegness, you have lost a winner according to many of our listeners. lost a winner according to many of our listeners-— our listeners. that is absolutely ri . ht in our listeners. that is absolutely right in lots _ our listeners. that is absolutely right in lots of _ our listeners. that is absolutely right in lots of ways, _ our listeners. that is absolutely right in lots of ways, boris - our listeners. that is absolutely right in lots of ways, boris is i our listeners. that is absolutely right in lots of ways, boris is a l right in lots of ways, boris is a uniquely compelling character, a uniquely compelling character, a unique performer, and i think dave rather unkindly says there was no lockdown for boris. he was in

intensive care for some of it, let's be sensible about this. i think the challenge with where we are now is, if i'm honest, i do think that this is a sideshow that keeps popping up, the real issues that people do face are the ones that the current prime minister is trying to address, and so, yes, he is a unique character... but there is a considerable caucus within your party that supports him and believes that rishi sunak cannot win, borisjohnson can win, so what would you say to those people? i don't agree with that, but i absolutely want to see boris coming out campaigning in the future election, in many elections to come, because he is a fantastic part of the conservative family, and i know that in a constituency like mine, he has an appeal to people that other

politicians of any hue cannot reach, and we need to acknowledge that. but i do come back to this sort of thing a lot, the e—mails i am getting day in, day out, are not about stuff that happened a number of years ago, they are about the cost of living, material things, and i think it is right that the prime minister, today's prime minister, is focusing on those, because that is where the conversation should be. we on those, because that is where the conversation should be.— on those, because that is where the conversation should be. we can focus on many things. _ conversation should be. we can focus on many things, we _ conversation should be. we can focus on many things, we can _ conversation should be. we can focus on many things, we can walk- conversation should be. we can focus on many things, we can walk and - conversation should be. we can focus. on many things, we can walk and chew gum at the same time, but it is in the news. alison mcgovern, is it still hurting the conservative brand? ., ,., still hurting the conservative brand? ., ., , , brand? there are so many things hummin: brand? there are so many things humming the _ brand? there are so many things humming the comic— brand? there are so many things humming the comic brand - brand? there are so many things humming the comic brand that i brand? there are so many things. humming the comic brand that i'm brand? there are so many things - humming the comic brand that i'm not sure if— humming the comic brand that i'm not sure if this _ humming the comic brand that i'm not sure if this is _ humming the comic brand that i'm not sure if this is a major factor. so much _ sure if this is a major factor. so much is — sure if this is a major factor. so much is going wrong, nothing seems to work— much is going wrong, nothing seems to work in— much is going wrong, nothing seems to work in this country any more, that is— to work in this country any more, that is the — to work in this country any more, that is the main thing that is the conservative brand at the moment, and honestly i feel like i have wasted — and honestly i feel like i have wasted so many hours of my life being _ wasted so many hours of my life being asked about this man and

enough — being asked about this man and enough already, like... hundreds and hundreds of— enough already, like... hundreds and hundreds of calls _ enough already, like... hundreds and hundreds of calls this _ enough already, like... hundreds and hundreds of calls this morning, - enough already, like... hundreds and hundreds of calls this morning, you i hundreds of calls this morning, you know? wejust hundreds of calls this morning, you know? we just follow the people. honestly, nobody is scared of him, we are _ honestly, nobody is scared of him, we are just — honestly, nobody is scared of him, we are just fed up of him. when you used _ we are just fed up of him. when you used to— we are just fed up of him. when you used to ask— we are just fed up of him. when you used to ask a — we are just fed up of him. when you used to ask a question in prime minister's — used to ask a question in prime minister's questions of boris johnson, _ minister's questions of boris johnson, it always felt like a bit of a waste — johnson, it always felt like a bit of a waste of time, because he could say x, _ of a waste of time, because he could say x. y _ of a waste of time, because he could say x. y z_ of a waste of time, because he could say x, y 2 was going to happen, and you never— say x, y 2 was going to happen, and you never had any faith that it actually — you never had any faith that it actually would happen. and labour, tory. _ actually would happen. and labour, tory, whatever, i have been a member for 13— tory, whatever, i have been a member for 13 years _ tory, whatever, i have been a member for 13 years and have asked questions of lots of different prime ministers, — questions of lots of different prime ministers, and he was the first one where _ ministers, and he was the first one where i_ ministers, and he was the first one where i felt, actually, i can ask this question on behalf of my constituents, this is an important thing _ constituents, this is an important thing for— constituents, this is an important thing for me to do for them, but i 'ust thing for me to do for them, but i just don't— thing for me to do for them, but i just don't see what the point is, because — just don't see what the point is, because i'm not sure anything will come _ because i'm not sure anything will come out — because i'm not sure anything will come out of it. let because i'm not sure anything will come out of it.— come out of it. let me ask you a auestion come out of it. let me ask you a question about _ come out of it. let me ask you a question about politics! -

come out of it. let me ask you a question about politics! we - come out of it. let me ask you aj question about politics! we have come out of it. let me ask you a - question about politics! we have got johnny in manchester coming up, we will be right with you, an interesting poll out today from yougov, and dave and matt will respond to this, whether if there were a general election tomorrow, the snp could fall back to 27 seats in scotland, labour gaining 23, to bring their tally up to 24. it is interesting, not since 2010 have the scottish nationalist failed to win more than 30 seats at the general election or 11 surpass 11. do think they are going wrong, or are you getting it right in scotland, alison mcgovern? because it is a vital battleground, isn't it? it is a very imortant battleground, isn't it? it is a very important place. _ battleground, isn't it? it is a very important place, and _ battleground, isn't it? it is a very important place, and when - battleground, isn't it? it is a very important place, and when i - battleground, isn't it? it is a very| important place, and when i think about— important place, and when i think about cities like glasgow and edinburgh, ithink about cities like glasgow and edinburgh, i think that people there are very— edinburgh, i think that people there are very similar concerns and issues to where _ are very similar concerns and issues to where i_ are very similar concerns and issues to where i am — are very similar concerns and issues to where i am from in merseyside or in greater— to where i am from in merseyside or in greater manchester, where people are really— in greater manchester, where people are really struggling, and they are really— are really struggling, and they are really worried about public

services, the health service and schools. — services, the health service and schools, and they want to see that improved — schools, and they want to see that improved. and i think and sarwar has done _ improved. and i think and sarwar has done a _ improved. and i think and sarwar has done a great — improved. and i think and sarwar has done a greatjob of making our case. ithink— done a greatjob of making our case. i think whatever the polls say, complacency won't help anybody in the labour— complacency won't help anybody in the labour party. we want to fight for votes _ the labour party. we want to fight for votes in — the labour party. we want to fight for votes in scotland as we do right across— for votes in scotland as we do right across the — for votes in scotland as we do right across the uk, and we will continue to do— across the uk, and we will continue to do that, — across the uk, and we will continue to do that, because, you know, we obviously— to do that, because, you know, we obviously have not had good results previously... the obviously have not had good results previously- - -— previously... the troubles of the snp have aided _ previously... the troubles of the snp have aided you, _ previously... the troubles of the snp have aided you, some - previously... the troubles of the snp have aided you, some say i previously... the troubles of the i snp have aided you, some say that they are swimming through... we will come to the water companies later, but they are swimming through a pretty unpleasant river at the moment. . pretty unpleasant river at the moment. ,, , , ., moment. sure, but in the end, you have not moment. sure, but in the end, you have got to — moment. sure, but in the end, you have got to have _ moment. sure, but in the end, you have got to have a _ moment. sure, but in the end, you have got to have a positive - moment. sure, but in the end, you have got to have a positive idea . moment. sure, but in the end, you have got to have a positive idea of| have got to have a positive idea of what _ have got to have a positive idea of what you — have got to have a positive idea of what you would do, and i think when it comes _ what you would do, and i think when it comes to— what you would do, and i think when it comes to that uk offer that will help people in scotland and right across _ help people in scotland and right across england and wales and northern ireland, making sure that we have _ northern ireland, making sure that we have got, you know, keir saying,

how can _ we have got, you know, keir saying, how can we — we have got, you know, keir saying, how can we build up our public services — how can we build up our public services to— how can we build up our public services to support people, i think that is— services to support people, i think that is the — services to support people, i think that is the way to do it, and you cannot— that is the way to do it, and you cannot rely— that is the way to do it, and you cannot rely on other people messing up, cannot rely on other people messing up. you _ cannot rely on other people messing up, you know, you have got to have those _ up, you know, you have got to have those ideas. — up, you know, you have got to have those ideas, and that is what he has been _ those ideas, and that is what he has been setting out.— been setting out. elections are won and they are _ been setting out. elections are won and they are lost _ been setting out. elections are won and they are lost as _ been setting out. elections are won and they are lost as well. _ been setting out. elections are won and they are lost as well. dave - and they are lost as well. dave doogan, the resurgence of labour as a problem for you, dave. doogan, the resurgence of labour as a problem foryou, dave. i doogan, the resurgence of labour as a problem for you, dave.— a problem for you, dave. i think it is a bit premature _ a problem for you, dave. i think it is a bit premature to _ a problem for you, dave. i think it is a bit premature to call- a problem for you, dave. i think it is a bit premature to call it - a problem for you, dave. i think it is a bit premature to call it a - is a bit premature to call it a resurgence _ is a bit premature to call it a resurgence i_ is a bit premature to call it a resurgence. i think- is a bit premature to call it a resurgence. i think what - is a bit premature to call it a resurgence. i think what you is a bit premature to call it a - resurgence. i think what you are seen _ resurgence. i think what you are seeniust— resurgence. i think what you are seeniust now— resurgence. i think what you are seeniust now is _ resurgence. i think what you are seen just now is that _ resurgence. i think what you are seenjust now is that labour- resurgence. i think what you are seenjust now is that labour are| seenjust now is that labour are caught— seenjust now is that labour are caught in— seenjust now is that labour are caught in the _ seenjust now is that labour are caught in the middle _ seenjust now is that labour are caught in the middle of- seenjust now is that labour are caught in the middle of a - seenjust now is that labour are - caught in the middle of a whirlpool, if you _ caught in the middle of a whirlpool, if you like. — caught in the middle of a whirlpool, if you like. and _ caught in the middle of a whirlpool, if you like, and the _ caught in the middle of a whirlpool, if you like, and the dynamism, - caught in the middle of a whirlpool,j if you like, and the dynamism, such as it is, _ if you like, and the dynamism, such as it is, within— if you like, and the dynamism, such as it is, within the _ if you like, and the dynamism, such as it is, within the labour— if you like, and the dynamism, such as it is, within the labour party- if you like, and the dynamism, such as it is, within the labour party is i as it is, within the labour party is subject— as it is, within the labour party is subject to — as it is, within the labour party is subject to forces _ as it is, within the labour party is subject to forces outwith - as it is, within the labour party is subject to forces outwith their. subject to forces outwith their control, — subject to forces outwith their control, so— subject to forces outwith their control, so you _ subject to forces outwith their control, so you have - subject to forces outwith their control, so you have got- subject to forces outwith their i control, so you have got serious difficulties— control, so you have got serious difficulties in— control, so you have got serious difficulties in westminster, - control, so you have got serious difficulties in westminster, and| difficulties in westminster, and therefore — difficulties in westminster, and therefore in _ difficulties in westminster, and therefore in the _ difficulties in westminster, and therefore in the uk _ difficulties in westminster, and therefore in the uk context, . difficulties in westminster, and i therefore in the uk context, with therefore in the uk context, with the malaise, _ therefore in the uk context, with the malaise, flag _ therefore in the uk context, with the malaise, flag end _ therefore in the uk context, with the malaise, flag end tory- the malaise, flag end tory government— the malaise, flag end tory government that - the malaise, flag end tory government that is - the malaise, flag end tory government that is aboutl the malaise, flag end toryi government that is about to the malaise, flag end tory- government that is about to keel over~ _ government that is about to keel over and — government that is about to keel over and in— government that is about to keel over. and in scotland, _ government that is about to keel over. and in scotland, of- government that is about to keel over. and in scotland, of coursel government that is about to keel. over. and in scotland, of course you have _ over. and in scotland, of course you have got _ over. and in scotland, of course you have got some — over. and in scotland, of course you have got some internal— over. and in scotland, of course you have got some internal party -

have got some internal party difficulties— have got some internal party difficulties with _ have got some internal party difficulties with the - have got some internal party difficulties with the scottishl difficulties with the scottish national— difficulties with the scottish national party— difficulties with the scottish national party internal- national party internal administration, - national party internalj administration, which, national party internal- administration, which, let's be clear. — administration, which, let's be clear. it's _ administration, which, let's be clear, it's not _ administration, which, let's be clear, it's not a _ administration, which, let's be clear, it's not a great - administration, which, let's be clear, it's not a great look, - administration, which, let's bel clear, it's not a great look, and administration, which, let's be i clear, it's not a great look, and it is not _ clear, it's not a great look, and it is not impressing _ clear, it's not a great look, and it is not impressing a _ clear, it's not a great look, and it is not impressing a whole - clear, it's not a great look, and it is not impressing a whole host. clear, it's not a great look, and it is not impressing a whole host ofj is not impressing a whole host of voters _ is not impressing a whole host of voters in — is not impressing a whole host of voters in scotland. _ is not impressing a whole host of voters in scotland. voters - is not impressing a whole host of voters in scotland. voters in- voters in scotland. voters in scotland. _ voters in scotland. voters in scotland, not _ voters in scotland. voters in scotland, not just _ voters in scotland. voters in| scotland, notjust anywhere, voters in scotland. voters in- scotland, notjust anywhere, are voters in scotland. voters in- scotland, not just anywhere, are a canny— scotland, not just anywhere, are a canny bunch, — scotland, not just anywhere, are a canny bunch, and _ scotland, not just anywhere, are a canny bunch, and they— scotland, not just anywhere, are a canny bunch, and they recognise l scotland, not just anywhere, are a i canny bunch, and they recognise that there _ canny bunch, and they recognise that there is— canny bunch, and they recognise that there is no— canny bunch, and they recognise that there is no substitute _ canny bunch, and they recognise that there is no substitute for— canny bunch, and they recognise that there is no substitute for policy, - there is no substitute for policy, and it _ there is no substitute for policy, and it is— there is no substitute for policy, and it is all— there is no substitute for policy, and it is all very— there is no substitute for policy, and it is all very well _ there is no substitute for policy, and it is all very well to - there is no substitute for policy, and it is all very well to say- there is no substitute for policy, | and it is all very well to say what you would — and it is all very well to say what you would do. _ and it is all very well to say what you would do, but— and it is all very well to say what you would do, but that - and it is all very well to say what you would do, but that is - and it is all very well to say what you would do, but that is no - you would do, but that is no contrast— you would do, but that is no contrast or— you would do, but that is no contrast or comparison - you would do, but that is no contrast or comparison for i you would do, but that is no - contrast or comparison for what you can say— contrast or comparison for what you can say you — contrast or comparison for what you can say you have _ contrast or comparison for what you can say you have actually— done, and that alison and the rest of the _ done, and that alison and the rest of the labour— done, and that alison and the rest of the labour party— done, and that alison and the rest of the labour party will— done, and that alison and the rest of the labour party will find - done, and that alison and the rest of the labour party will find whenl of the labour party will find when they come — of the labour party will find when they come to _ of the labour party will find when they come to try— of the labour party will find when they come to try to _ of the labour party will find when they come to try to win _ of the labour party will find when they come to try to win those - of the labour party will find when i they come to try to win those seats in scotland. — they come to try to win those seats in scotland, which _ they come to try to win those seats in scotland, which we _ they come to try to win those seats in scotland, which we will - they come to try to win those seats in scotland, which we will be - in scotland, which we will be fighting _ in scotland, which we will be fighting with _ in scotland, which we will be fighting with everything - in scotland, which we will be fighting with everything we i in scotland, which we will be . fighting with everything we have in scotland, which we will be - fighting with everything we have got to retain _ fighting with everything we have got to retain and — fighting with everything we have got to retain and increase, _ fighting with everything we have got to retain and increase, the - fighting with everything we have got to retain and increase, the probleml to retain and increase, the problem they will— to retain and increase, the problem they will find — to retain and increase, the problem they will find is— to retain and increase, the problem they will find is that _ to retain and increase, the problem they will find is that they— to retain and increase, the problem they will find is that they are - they will find is that they are speaking _ they will find is that they are speaking to— they will find is that they are speaking to an _ they will find is that they are speaking to an entirely- they will find is that they are . speaking to an entirely different demographic— speaking to an entirely different demographic from _ speaking to an entirely different demographic from those - speaking to an entirely different demographic from those in - speaking to an entirely different - demographic from those in scotland, who take _ demographic from those in scotland, who take a _ demographic from those in scotland, who take a different _ demographic from those in scotland, who take a different view— demographic from those in scotland, who take a different view about - who take a different view about policy~ — who take a different view about policy. when— who take a different view about policy. when alison _ who take a different view about policy. when alison and - who take a different view about policy. when alison and her - policy. when alison and her colleagues _ policy. when alison and her colleagues are _ policy. when alison and her colleagues are speaking - policy. when alison and her colleagues are speaking to| policy. when alison and her i colleagues are speaking to the policy. when alison and her - colleagues are speaking to the red wall seats — colleagues are speaking to the red wall seats in — colleagues are speaking to the red wall seats in england _ colleagues are speaking to the red wall seats in england about - colleagues are speaking to the red wall seats in england about their. wall seats in england about their failure _ wall seats in england about their failure to— wall seats in england about their failure to oppose _ wall seats in england about their failure to oppose anti _

wall seats in england about their failure to oppose anti strike - failure to oppose anti strike legislation, _ failure to oppose anti strike legislation, their— failure to oppose anti strike legislation, their failure - failure to oppose anti strike legislation, their failure to. failure to oppose anti strike - legislation, their failure to speak up legislation, their failure to speak up for— legislation, their failure to speak up for the — legislation, their failure to speak up for the anathema _ legislation, their failure to speak up for the anathema of— legislation, their failure to speak up for the anathema of that - legislation, their failure to speak up for the anathema of that is . legislation, their failure to speak. up for the anathema of that is small boats— up for the anathema of that is small boats legislation, _ up for the anathema of that is small boats legislation, and _ up for the anathema of that is small boats legislation, and the _ up for the anathema of that is small boats legislation, and the abject - boats legislation, and the abject failure _ boats legislation, and the abject failure to— boats legislation, and the abject failure to oppose _ boats legislation, and the abject failure to oppose brexit, - boats legislation, and the abject failure to oppose brexit, they. boats legislation, and the abject. failure to oppose brexit, they will find in _ failure to oppose brexit, they will find in scotland _ failure to oppose brexit, they will find in scotland only— failure to oppose brexit, they will find in scotland only 6% - failure to oppose brexit, they will find in scotland only 6% of - failure to oppose brexit, they will| find in scotland only 6% of people think— find in scotland only 6% of people think brexit — find in scotland only 6% of people think brexit is _ find in scotland only 6% of people think brexit is working _ find in scotland only 6% of people think brexit is working well. - find in scotland only 6% of people think brexit is working well. and i think brexit is working well. and labour— think brexit is working well. and labour have _ think brexit is working well. and labour have no _ think brexit is working well. and labour have no message - think brexit is working well. and labour have no message for- think brexit is working well. and i labour have no message for them, think brexit is working well. and - labour have no message for them, but we in _ labour have no message for them, but we in the _ labour have no message for them, but we in the snp — labour have no message for them, but we in the snp do. _ labour have no message for them, but we in the snp do, and _ labour have no message for them, but we in the snp do, and we _ labour have no message for them, but we in the snp do, and we have - labour have no message for them, but we in the snp do, and we have a - we in the snp do, and we have a proud _ we in the snp do, and we have a proud record _ we in the snp do, and we have a proud record of— we in the snp do, and we have a proud record of 16 _ we in the snp do, and we have a proud record of 16 years - we in the snp do, and we have a proud record of 16 years in- proud record of16 years in government— proud record of 16 years in government where - proud record of 16 years in government where the - proud record of 16 years in- government where the welfare of people _ government where the welfare of people in— government where the welfare of people in scotland _ government where the welfare of people in scotland is— government where the welfare of. people in scotland is demonstrably under— people in scotland is demonstrably under by— people in scotland is demonstrably under by some _ people in scotland is demonstrably under by some margin _ people in scotland is demonstrably under by some margin much - people in scotland is demonstrablyj under by some margin much better than it— under by some margin much better than it is— under by some margin much better than it is for— under by some margin much better than it is for people _ under by some margin much better than it is for people suffering - than it is for people suffering under— than it is for people suffering under westminster— than it is for people suffering under westminster rule - than it is for people suffering under westminster rule in. than it is for people suffering - under westminster rule in england. sorry. _ under westminster rule in england. sorry. i— under westminster rule in england. sorry. i think— under westminster rule in england. sorry, i think that _ under westminster rule in england. sorry, i think that you _ under westminster rule in england. sorry, i think that you are - under westminster rule in england. sorry, i think that you are hearing i sorry, i think that you are hearing here _ sorry, i think that you are hearing here this — sorry, i think that you are hearing here this england versus scotland divide. _ here this england versus scotland divide. we — here this england versus scotland divide, we hear it constantly, and that is— divide, we hear it constantly, and that is exactly why i make the point that is exactly why i make the point that where — that is exactly why i make the point that where i am from in merseyside, i that where i am from in merseyside, i don't _ that where i am from in merseyside, i don't even — that where i am from in merseyside, i don't even know what you mean by the red _ i don't even know what you mean by the red wall — i don't even know what you mean by the red wall. that is a kind of patronising terminology that, you know, _ patronising terminology that, you know. all— patronising terminology that, you know, all places in england are different. — know, all places in england are different, they can't be lumped into some _ different, they can't be lumped into some political categorisation. i think— some political categorisation. i think that is really patronising.

but when — think that is really patronising. but when i speak to people in merseyside, and also in similar cities _ merseyside, and also in similar cities in — merseyside, and also in similar cities in scotland, you hear very similar— cities in scotland, you hear very similar experience, the cost of living, — similar experience, the cost of living, you _ similar experience, the cost of living, you know, food price inflation _ living, you know, food price inflation is a massive problem for people _ inflation is a massive problem for people wherever they are in the united — people wherever they are in the united kingdom, and unfortunately we have seen— united kingdom, and unfortunately we have seen the rise of foodbanks everywhere in the united kingdom, and that— everywhere in the united kingdom, and that has got to be tackled. sol don't _ and that has got to be tackled. sol don't buy— and that has got to be tackled. sol don't buy this england versus scotland _ don't buy this england versus scotland thing, i am very proud of the work— scotland thing, i am very proud of the work that scottish labour under anas sarwar's leadership have done to make _ anas sarwar's leadership have done to make that positive case for change. — to make that positive case for change, and, you know, ithink that people _ change, and, you know, ithink that people will— change, and, you know, ithink that people will make the judgment, you know, _ people will make the judgment, you know. and _ people will make the judgment, you know, and we will fight for every vote, _ know, and we will fight for every vote, but — know, and we will fight for every vote, but the reality is that the united — vote, but the reality is that the united kingdom are found, and what we have _ united kingdom are found, and what we have got to offer, is a plan for the united — we have got to offer, is a plan for the united kingdom where we have growth _ the united kingdom where we have growth everywhere, so we have growth in all parts _ growth everywhere, so we have growth in all parts of england, scotland, wales— in all parts of england, scotland, wales and — in all parts of england, scotland, wales and northern ireland, and then

city by— wales and northern ireland, and then city by city. _ wales and northern ireland, and then city by city, improve our public services, — city by city, improve our public services, help people get back to work, _ services, help people get back to work. and — services, help people get back to work, and that positive vision is the important case to make given the absolute _ the important case to make given the absolute dire state of our public services — absolute dire state of our public services into many places in the really— services into many places in the really bad — services into many places in the really bad experience that people have at _ really bad experience that people have at the moment.— have at the moment. briefly, ifi miaht have at the moment. briefly, ifi might nicky. _ have at the moment. briefly, ifi might nicky. i — have at the moment. briefly, ifi might nicky, i want _ have at the moment. briefly, ifi might nicky, i want to _ have at the moment. briefly, ifi might nicky, i want to be - have at the moment. briefly, ifi might nicky, i want to be clear i have at the moment. briefly, if i i might nicky, i want to be clear that we are _ might nicky, i want to be clear that we are accused _ might nicky, i want to be clear that we are accused in— might nicky, i want to be clear that we are accused in the _ might nicky, i want to be clear that we are accused in the slp- might nicky, i want to be clear that we are accused in the slp of- might nicky, i want to be clear that we are accused in the slp of tryingl we are accused in the slp of trying to pitch _ we are accused in the slp of trying to pitch scotland _ we are accused in the slp of trying to pitch scotland against _ we are accused in the slp of trying to pitch scotland against england. | to pitch scotland against england. that is _ to pitch scotland against england. that is absolutely— to pitch scotland against england. that is absolutely not _ to pitch scotland against england. that is absolutely not the - to pitch scotland against england. that is absolutely not the case, i to pitch scotland against england. that is absolutely not the case, it| that is absolutely not the case, it is not _ that is absolutely not the case, it is not at — that is absolutely not the case, it is not at the — that is absolutely not the case, it is not at the pursuit _ that is absolutely not the case, it is not at the pursuit of— that is absolutely not the case, it is not at the pursuit of anybody. is not at the pursuit of anybody else _ is not at the pursuit of anybody else outside _ is not at the pursuit of anybody else outside the _ is not at the pursuit of anybody else outside the westminster i is not at the pursuit of anybody- else outside the westminster bubble, but the _ else outside the westminster bubble, but the peoplem _ else outside the westminster bubble, but the people... that— else outside the westminster bubble, but the people- - -_ but the people... that is not the oint i but the people... that is not the point i made. — but the people... that is not the point i made, you _ but the people... that is not the point i made, you are _ but the people... that is not the point i made, you are being - point i made, you are being patronising about all parts of england that themselves have a unique — england that themselves have a unique and special identity, just dismissing them as a red wall is not fair to— dismissing them as a red wall is not fair to people who live in places that all— fair to people who live in places that all have their own culture and identity— that all have their own culture and identity and heritage. that is the point _ identity and heritage. that is the point i _ identity and heritage. that is the point i am — identity and heritage. that is the point i am making.— identity and heritage. that is the point i am making. those people in those communities, _ point i am making. those people in those communities, what _ point i am making. those people in those communities, what you'll- point i am making. those people in. those communities, what you'll find, and this— those communities, what you'll find, and this is— those communities, what you'll find, and this is where _ those communities, what you'll find, and this is where you _ those communities, what you'll find, and this is where you will— those communities, what you'll find, and this is where you will come - and this is where you will come unstuck— and this is where you will come unstuck in _ and this is where you will come unstuck in the _ and this is where you will come unstuck in the general- and this is where you will come | unstuck in the general election, and this is where you will come - unstuck in the general election, you will find _ unstuck in the general election, you will find that —

unstuck in the general election, you will find that there _ unstuck in the general election, you will find that there was _ unstuck in the general election, you will find that there was people - unstuck in the general election, you will find that there was people in . will find that there was people in birmingham _ will find that there was people in birmingham and _ will find that there was people in birmingham and bradford - will find that there was people in birmingham and bradford and . will find that there was people in . birmingham and bradford and other post-industrial— birmingham and bradford and other post—industrial areas _ birmingham and bradford and other post—industrial areas that _ birmingham and bradford and other post—industrial areas that suffered. post—industrial areas that suffered hugely ~~ — post-industrial areas that suffered huael ., , post-industrial areas that suffered huael ., ., post-industrial areas that suffered huuel... ., ., . hugely... please do not lecture me about areas — hugely... please do not lecture me about areas that _ hugely... please do not lecture me about areas that have _ hugely... please do not lecture me about areas that have suffered - about areas that have suffered post—industrial deprivation in the areas _ post—industrial deprivation in the areas l _ post—industrial deprivation in the areas i come from. post-industrial deprivation in the areas i come from.— post-industrial deprivation in the areas i come from. those people will not benefit from _ areas i come from. those people will not benefit from free _ areas i come from. those people will not benefit from free universities, i not benefit from free universities, prescriptions. _ not benefit from free universities, prescriptions, they— not benefit from free universities, prescriptions, they get _ not benefit from free universities, prescriptions, they get much - not benefit from free universities, i prescriptions, they get much lower investment— prescriptions, they get much lower investment in— prescriptions, they get much lower investment in education— prescriptions, they get much lower investment in education and - prescriptions, they get much lower. investment in education and health. and we _ investment in education and health. and we will— investment in education and health. and we will be — investment in education and health. and we will be going _ investment in education and health. and we will be going into— investment in education and health. and we will be going into the - and we will be going into the general— and we will be going into the general election with a vision of a growing _ general election with a vision of a growing country that can support good _ growing country that can support good public services everywhere, and we will _ good public services everywhere, and we will fight hard for every vote in every _ we will fight hard for every vote in every part — we will fight hard for every vote in every part of the united kingdom. johnny. _ every part of the united kingdom. johnny. in— every part of the united kingdom. johnny, in manchester, you can take this first off, matt warman, good morning too. i tell you what, i will come you in a minute, johnny, i will be right with you, stephen in skelmersdale, i know he has to go, what is your question? what is the

burden of your song? iii. what is your question? what is the burden of your song?— burden of your song? hi, good morning. _ burden of your song? hi, good morning, nicky. _ burden of your song? hi, good morning, nicky. so— burden of your song? hi, good morning, nicky. so i— burden of your song? hi, good morning, nicky. so i will- burden of your song? hi, good morning, nicky. so i will get. morning, nicky. so i will get straight _ morning, nicky. so i will get straight to— morning, nicky. so i will get straight to it. _ morning, nicky. so i will get straight to it. my— morning, nicky. so i will get straight to it. my question i morning, nicky. so i will get straight to it. my question is morning, nicky. so i will get- straight to it. my question is about suella _ straight to it. my question is about suella braverman, _ straight to it. my question is about suella braverman, the _ straight to it. my question is about suella braverman, the character. straight to it. my question is aboutj suella braverman, the character of suella _ suella braverman, the character of suella braverman, _ suella braverman, the character of suella braverman, making - suella braverman, the character of suella braverman, making these i suella braverman, making these choices, — suella braverman, making these choices, you _ suella braverman, making these choices, you have _ suella braverman, making these choices, you have to _ suella braverman, making these choices, you have to seriously. suella braverman, making these. choices, you have to seriously ask the mps _ choices, you have to seriously ask the mps on — choices, you have to seriously ask the mps on there _ choices, you have to seriously ask the mps on there today _ choices, you have to seriously ask the mps on there today whether, i choices, you have to seriously ask - the mps on there today whether, with such poor— the mps on there today whether, with such pooriudgment, _ the mps on there today whether, with such poorjudgment, she _ the mps on there today whether, with such poorjudgment, she should - the mps on there today whether, with such poorjudgment, she should be i the mps on there today whether, with such poorjudgment, she should be a| such poorjudgment, she should be a government— such poorjudgment, she should be a government minister— such poorjudgment, she should be a government minister come _ such poorjudgment, she should be a government minister come up - such poorjudgment, she should be a government minister come up with i government minister come up with such huge — government minister come up with such huge responsibility— government minister come up with such huge responsibility as - government minister come up with such huge responsibility as home i such huge responsibility as home secretary — such huge responsibility as home secretary and _ such huge responsibility as home secretary. and does _ such huge responsibility as home secretary. and does it— such huge responsibility as home secretary. and does it also- such huge responsibility as home secretary. and does it also put. such huge responsibility as home l secretary. and does it also put into question— secretary. and does it also put into question rishi _ secretary. and does it also put into question rishi sunak's— secretary. and does it also put into question rishi sunak's own - secretary. and does it also put into i question rishi sunak's ownjudgment as well? _ question rishi sunak's ownjudgment as well? and — question rishi sunak's own 'udgment as well? �* ., ., as well? and we have got the net miaration as well? and we have got the net migration figures _ as well? and we have got the net migration figures out _ as well? and we have got the net migration figures out tomorrow, l migration figures out tomorrow, which is going to be, we read, uncomfortable reading, and all sorts of things are being said i had of it about students coming to this country. matt warman, is she fit for office? i country. matt warman, is she fit for office? ~ , , country. matt warman, is she fit for office?_ you - country. matt warman, is she fit for office?_ you think i office? i think she is... you think she is? l — office? i think she is... you think she is? i am _ office? i think she is... you think she is? i am certain _ office? i think she is... you think she is? i am certain she - office? i think she is... you think she is? i am certain she is, - office? i think she is... you think she is? i am certain she is, and i office? i think she is... you think. she is? i am certain she is, and the reason i say — she is? i am certain she is, and the reason i say that _ she is? i am certain she is, and the reason i say that is _ she is? i am certain she is, and the reason i say that is simply - she is? i am certain she is, and the reason i say that is simply because | reason i say that is simply because what she brings us a focus on just

those migration figures, for instance, that you have mentioned, she brings a really important strain of throat within the country... matt, stop right there, matt, matt! nick eardley has the latest on suella braverman, what a thing! iii. suella braverman, what a thing! hi, i'm 'ust suella braverman, what a thing! hi, i'm just reading suella braverman, what a thing! hi, i'mjust reading an suella braverman, what a thing! hi, i'm just reading an e—mail now from downing _ i'm just reading an e—mail now from downing street, the prime minister has confirmed that he is not going to launch — has confirmed that he is not going to launch an official probe into suella — to launch an official probe into suella braverman, there is not going to be _ suella braverman, there is not going to be an _ suella braverman, there is not going to be an investigation into whether she broke — to be an investigation into whether she broke the ministerial code with the way— she broke the ministerial code with the way she dealt with a speeding offence _ the way she dealt with a speeding offence. rishi sunak says that he has consulted with his independent advisers. _ has consulted with his independent advisers, his independent ethics adviser, — advisers, his independent ethics adviser, sir laurie magnus, he has been _ adviser, sir laurie magnus, he has been advised that further investigation is not necessary, and on the _ investigation is not necessary, and on the basis — investigation is not necessary, and on the basis of that his decision, the prime — on the basis of that his decision, the prime minister, that is, is that these _ the prime minister, that is, is that these did — the prime minister, that is, is that these did not amount to a breach of

these did not amount to a breach of the ministerial code. just reading this through, literally as we speak 'ust this through, literally as we speak just now. — this through, literally as we speak iust now. it— this through, literally as we speak just now, it also says that a better course _ just now, it also says that a better course of — just now, it also says that a better course of action could have been taken _ course of action could have been taken to— course of action could have been taken to avoid giving rise to the perception of impropriety — that sounds — perception of impropriety — that sounds to— perception of impropriety — that sounds to me like an acceptance that it would _ sounds to me like an acceptance that it would have been better for the home _ it would have been better for the home secretary not to discuss her speeding — home secretary not to discuss her speeding offence with civil servants at all _ speeding offence with civil servants at all but — speeding offence with civil servants at all. but the key thing here, nicky. — at all. but the key thing here, nicky. is— at all. but the key thing here, nicky, is the prime minister has decided — nicky, is the prime minister has decided that the home secretary didn't— decided that the home secretary didn't break the ministerial code, and that— didn't break the ministerial code, and that he is not going to ask is ethics _ and that he is not going to ask is ethics adviser to look into what happened. so, basically, a clean bill of— happened. so, basically, a clean bill of health for the home secretary to get on with herjob. thank— secretary to get on with herjob. thank you — secretary to get on with herjob. thank you very much indeed, nick eardley. matt warman.— thank you very much indeed, nick eardley. matt warman. yeah, as i was sa ina, as eardley. matt warman. yeah, as i was saying. as nick — eardley. matt warman. yeah, as i was saying, as nick said _ eardley. matt warman. yeah, as i was saying, as nick said as _ eardley. matt warman. yeah, as i was saying, as nick said as well, _ eardley. matt warman. yeah, as i was saying, as nick said as well, this - saying, as nick said as well, this is a vote of confidence in the home secretary to get on with the job, and the meat of the job is around immigration, it is around policing,

national security. there was a hugely important issues, and i'm sure my colleagues on this panel will criticise the decision that the prime minister has made. let's hear in mind that it was made with the independent advice at looking at this. that's a process that other parties called for, except now they criticise it, and imagine any second now when i do not like the outcome. so i think we have to bear in mind that it so i think we have to bear in mind thatitis so i think we have to bear in mind that it is right that the prime minister is focused on those really major issues, whether it is immigration, whether it is the economy, it is right that the home secretary gets on with the job, and i'm not sure it is right that we spend as much time as we do talking about the sideshow issues, and hopefully we can move on now from this as well. hopefully we can move on now from this as well-— this as well. can i ask a question directl ? this as well. can i ask a question directly? 0f _ this as well. can i ask a question directly? of course _ this as well. can i ask a question directly? of course you - this as well. can i ask a question directly? of course you can. - this as well. can i ask a question | directly? of course you can. how, matt, directly? of course you can. how, matt. what _ directly? of course you can. how, matt. what did — directly? of course you can. how, matt, what did rishi _ directly? of course you can. how, matt, what did rishi sunak - directly? of course you can. how, matt, what did rishi sunak said i directly? of course you can. how, matt, what did rishi sunak said when he became _ matt, what did rishi sunak said when he became prime _ matt, what did rishi sunak said when he became prime minister? - matt, what did rishi sunak said when he became prime minister? wasn't. matt, what did rishi sunak said when he became prime minister? wasn't itj he became prime minister? wasn't it something _ he became prime minister? wasn't it something about _ he became prime minister? wasn't it something about lies, _ he became prime minister? wasn't it something about lies, scandal- he became prime minister? wasn't it something about lies, scandal and i something about lies, scandal and cover-ups? — something about lies, scandal and cover-ups? i— something about lies, scandal and cover—ups? i can't— something about lies, scandal and cover—ups? i can't quite _ something about lies, scandal and i cover—ups? i can't quite remember. and cover—ups? ican't quite remember. and what— cover—ups? i can't quite remember.

and what you — cover—ups? i can't quite remember. and what you have _ cover—ups? i can't quite remember. and what you have just _ cover—ups? i can't quite remember. and what you have just heard - cover—ups? i can't quite remember. and what you have just heard is - cover—ups? i can't quite remember. and what you have just heard is an. and what you have just heard is an independent adviser saying that there is, in this case, nothing that should be investigated further. so it is all well and good saying that this was not handled perhaps as well as it could have been, but ultimately this is a real sense that the government's priority, suella braverman's priorities are those that matter do the british people, around immigration, policing and all of that. that is how the government is able to demonstrate that it is responding to what people really care about. responding to what people really care about-— responding to what people really care about. . n ., care about. alison mcgovern, move on, care about. alison mcgovern, move on. nothing — care about. alison mcgovern, move on. nothing to _ care about. alison mcgovern, move on, nothing to see? _ care about. alison mcgovern, move on, nothing to see? why _ care about. alison mcgovern, move on, nothing to see? why didn't - care about. alison mcgovern, move on, nothing to see? why didn't she| on, nothing to see? why didn't she 'ust do on, nothing to see? why didn't she just do the — on, nothing to see? why didn't she just do the speeding _ on, nothing to see? why didn't she just do the speeding course. - on, nothing to see? why didn't she just do the speeding course. it - on, nothing to see? why didn't she just do the speeding course. it is l just do the speeding course. it is over, we just do the speeding course. it is over. we are _ just do the speeding course. it 3 over, we are moving on, aren't we? storm in a teacup! to over, we are moving on, aren't we? storm in a teacup!— over, we are moving on, aren't we? storm in a teacup! to be honest, the failures of the _ storm in a teacup! to be honest, the failures of the home _ storm in a teacup! to be honest, the failures of the home office _ storm in a teacup! to be honest, the failures of the home office are - failures of the home office are massive — failures of the home office are massive. many of my constituents have _ massive. many of my constituents have really— massive. many of my constituents have really struggled to get passports, we have got the situation with not _ passports, we have got the situation with not enough police and officials to deal— with not enough police and officials to deal with the issue in the

channel _ to deal with the issue in the channel. the home office doesn't seem _ channel. the home office doesn't seem to _ channel. the home office doesn't seem to be working for anybody, and yet here _ seem to be working for anybody, and yet here we _ seem to be working for anybody, and yet here we are again, having been dealing _ yet here we are again, having been dealing with this kind of issue that is, again. — dealing with this kind of issue that is, again, about property. i mean, i obviously— is, again, about property. i mean, i obviously haven't seen the details of what _ obviously haven't seen the details of what the adviser has said, fine, whatever — of what the adviser has said, fine, whatever. but my initial reaction to it was _ whatever. but my initial reaction to it was like. — whatever. but my initial reaction to it was like, oh, come on, just do the calls— it was like, oh, come on, just do the calls or— it was like, oh, come on, just do the calls or whatever! and it is kind _ the calls or whatever! and it is kind of— the calls or whatever! and it is kind of frustrating that we are in this situation, especially given the home _ this situation, especially given the home office being in such a mess, where _ home office being in such a mess, where i_ home office being in such a mess, where i mean, last summerwas an absolute _ where i mean, last summerwas an absolute disaster. i had so many constituents, particularly those in public— constituents, particularly those in public services, who really wanted to break— public services, who really wanted to break and get away, given what they had _ to break and get away, given what they had been through in covid, where _ they had been through in covid, where the — they had been through in covid, where the passport administration wasiust_ where the passport administration wasjust really where the passport administration was just really pathetic, where the passport administration wasjust really pathetic, and i felt like people really didn't get a grip of that, _ like people really didn't get a grip of that, and then we have got humongous problems, as we know, in other— humongous problems, as we know, in other parts— humongous problems, as we know, in other parts of the home office, in keeping _ other parts of the home office, in keeping our borders are safe, so i find this— keeping our borders are safe, so i find this whole situation very

frustrating, and we will continue to challenge _ frustrating, and we will continue to challenge the government on the substantive issues, because people deserve _ substantive issues, because people deserve to— substantive issues, because people deserve to have... substantive issues, because people deserve to have. . .— substantive issues, because people deserve to have... dave doogan, are ou as deserve to have... dave doogan, are you as disappointed _ deserve to have... dave doogan, are you as disappointed as _ deserve to have... dave doogan, are you as disappointed as alison - deserve to have... dave doogan, are you as disappointed as alison at - you as disappointed as alison at this finding that she did nothing wrong? this finding that she did nothing wron: ? ., this finding that she did nothing wronu? . this finding that she did nothing wron? . ., ., wrong? yeah, well, escaped on a technicality. _ wrong? yeah, well, escaped on a technicality, no _ wrong? yeah, well, escaped on a technicality, no doubt, _ wrong? yeah, well, escaped on a technicality, no doubt, nicky. - wrong? yeah, well, escaped on a| technicality, no doubt, nicky. but wrong? yeah, well, escaped on a i technicality, no doubt, nicky. buti do agree— technicality, no doubt, nicky. buti do agree with — technicality, no doubt, nicky. buti do agree with alison _ technicality, no doubt, nicky. buti do agree with alison that _ technicality, no doubt, nicky. buti do agree with alison that she - technicality, no doubt, nicky. buti do agree with alison that she thinkj do agree with alison that she think she should — do agree with alison that she think she should have _ do agree with alison that she think she should have done _ do agree with alison that she think she should have done the - do agree with alison that she think she should have done the course, i she should have done the course, obviously — she should have done the course, obviously it — she should have done the course, obviously it is _ she should have done the course, obviously it is a _ she should have done the course, obviously it is a personal- she should have done the course, | obviously it is a personal decision. i obviously it is a personal decision. l have _ obviously it is a personal decision. l have to _ obviously it is a personal decision. i have to confess, _ obviously it is a personal decision. i have to confess, i— obviously it is a personal decision. i have to confess, i may— obviously it is a personal decision. i have to confess, i may have - obviously it is a personal decision. i have to confess, i may have had i obviously it is a personal decision. l i have to confess, i may have had a speeding _ i have to confess, i may have had a speeding ticket _ i have to confess, i may have had a speeding ticket in _ i have to confess, i may have had a speeding ticket in the _ i have to confess, i may have had a speeding ticket in the past, - i have to confess, i may have had a speeding ticket in the past, i- i have to confess, i may have had a speeding ticket in the past, i would have quietly— speeding ticket in the past, i would have quietly taken _ speeding ticket in the past, i would have quietly taken the _ speeding ticket in the past, i would have quietly taken the points - speeding ticket in the past, i would have quietly taken the points and i have quietly taken the points and try to _ have quietly taken the points and try to modify— have quietly taken the points and try to modify my— have quietly taken the points and try to modify my behaviour, - have quietly taken the points and i try to modify my behaviour, which she could — try to modify my behaviour, which she could absolutely _ try to modify my behaviour, which she could absolutely have - try to modify my behaviour, which she could absolutely have done, i try to modify my behaviour, which i she could absolutely have done, and what they— she could absolutely have done, and what they speaks _ she could absolutely have done, and what they speaks to _ she could absolutely have done, and what they speaks to is _ she could absolutely have done, and what they speaks to is the _ what they speaks to is the privileged _ what they speaks to is the privileged exceptionalisml what they speaks to is the - privileged exceptionalism that exudes— privileged exceptionalism that exudes from _ privileged exceptionalism that exudes from many— privileged exceptionalism that exudes from many tory- privileged exceptionalism that - exudes from many tory ministers, were, _ exudes from many tory ministers, were, well, — exudes from many tory ministers, were, well, these _ exudes from many tory ministers, were, well, these things - exudes from many tory ministers, were, well, these things are - exudes from many tory ministers, l were, well, these things are already for the _ were, well, these things are already for the little — were, well, these things are already for the little people, _ were, well, these things are already for the little people, but— were, well, these things are already for the little people, but i— were, well, these things are already for the little people, but i am - were, well, these things are already for the little people, but i am too. for the little people, but i am too important — for the little people, but i am too important to _ for the little people, but i am too important to succumb _ for the little people, but i am too important to succumb to - for the little people, but i am too important to succumb to the - for the little people, but i am too- important to succumb to the system, which _ important to succumb to the system, which is _ important to succumb to the system, which is a _ important to succumb to the system, which is a bad — important to succumb to the system, which is a bad look— important to succumb to the system, which is a bad look for— important to succumb to the system, which is a bad look for anyone, - important to succumb to the system, which is a bad look for anyone, but. which is a bad look for anyone, but hearing _ which is a bad look for anyone, but hearing in— which is a bad look for anyone, but hearing in mind _ which is a bad look for anyone, but bearing in mind this— which is a bad look for anyone, but bearing in mind this is— which is a bad look for anyone, but bearing in mind this is a _ which is a bad look for anyone, but bearing in mind this is a civil- bearing in mind this is a civil issue — bearing in mind this is a civil issue to _ bearing in mind this is a civil issue to do _ bearing in mind this is a civil issue to do with _ bearing in mind this is a civil issue to do with the - bearing in mind this is a civil issue to do with the rule - bearing in mind this is a civil issue to do with the rule of. bearing in mind this is a civil. issue to do with the rule of law, for the — issue to do with the rule of law, for the home _ issue to do with the rule of law, for the home secretary- issue to do with the rule of law, for the home secretary to - issue to do with the rule of law, for the home secretary to try i issue to do with the rule of law, for the home secretary to try to find the — for the home secretary to try to find the least _ for the home secretary to try to find the least troublesome - for the home secretary to try to find the least troublesome wayi find the least troublesome way around — find the least troublesome way around it. _ find the least troublesome way around it, within— find the least troublesome way around it, within the _ find the least troublesome way around it, within the rules- find the least troublesome way around it, within the rules of. find the least troublesome way. around it, within the rules of the

system, — around it, within the rules of the system, wett, _ around it, within the rules of the system, well, not _ around it, within the rules of the system, well, not really- around it, within the rules of the system, well, not really to- around it, within the rules of the system, well, not really to ask l around it, within the rules of the i system, well, not really to ask for a special— system, well, not really to ask for a special exception... _ system, well, not really to ask for a special exception... the- system, well, not really to ask for a special exception. . .— a special exception... the tories are not alone — a special exception... the tories are not alone in _ a special exception. .. the tories are not alone in political- a special exception... the tories are not alone in political parties| are not alone in political parties in doing things that most people would find absolutely astonishing. it goes quite close to home for you, dave, doesn't it? the it goes quite close to home for you, dave, doesn't it?— dave, doesn't it? the tories, in terms of— dave, doesn't it? the tories, in terms of the — dave, doesn't it? the tories, in terms of the uk _ dave, doesn't it? the tories, in terms of the uk government, i dave, doesn't it? the tories, in i terms of the uk government, have dave, doesn't it? the tories, in - terms of the uk government, have a record _ terms of the uk government, have a record of— terms of the uk government, have a record of thinking _ terms of the uk government, have a record of thinking that _ terms of the uk government, have a record of thinking that rules - terms of the uk government, have a record of thinking that rules don't . record of thinking that rules don't apply— record of thinking that rules don't apply to _ record of thinking that rules don't apply to me _ record of thinking that rules don't apply to me. and _ record of thinking that rules don't apply to me. and i— record of thinking that rules don't apply to me. and i will— record of thinking that rules don't apply to me. and i will do- record of thinking that rules don't apply to me. and i will do what. record of thinking that rules don't apply to me. and i will do what ii apply to me. and i will do what i canto _ apply to me. and i will do what i can to get — apply to me. and i will do what i can to get round _ apply to me. and i will do what i can to get round the _ apply to me. and i will do what i can to get round the rules. - apply to me. and i will do what ll can to get round the rules. which apply to me. and i will do what i. can to get round the rules. which i would _ can to get round the rules. which i would like — can to get round the rules. which i would like to — can to get round the rules. which i would like to think _ canto get round the rules. which i would like to think apply— can to get round the rules. which i would like to think apply to - can to get round the rules. which i would like to think apply to others| would like to think apply to others but not _ would like to think apply to others but not so — would like to think apply to others but not so much _ would like to think apply to others but not so much to _ would like to think apply to others but not so much to me. _ would like to think apply to others but not so much to me. but- would like to think apply to others but not so much to me. but the i but not so much to me. but the bravermah _ but not so much to me. but the braverman thing, _ but not so much to me. but the braverman thing, bearing - but not so much to me. but the braverman thing, bearing in- but not so much to me. but the . braverman thing, bearing in mind that internal— braverman thing, bearing in mind that internal tory— braverman thing, bearing in mind that internal tory politics, - braverman thing, bearing in mind that internal tory politics, she - braverman thing, bearing in mind that internal tory politics, she is. that internal tory politics, she is only there. _ that internal tory politics, she is only there. a _ that internal tory politics, she is only there, a deeply— that internal tory politics, she is only there, a deeply unpleasant| only there, a deeply unpleasant individual— only there, a deeply unpleasant individual with— only there, a deeply unpleasant individual with a _ only there, a deeply unpleasant individual with a very _ only there, a deeply unpleasant. individual with a very questionable record _ individual with a very questionable record as — individual with a very questionable record as a — individual with a very questionable record as a minister... _ individual with a very questionable record as a minister... do - individual with a very questionable record as a minister. . .— individual with a very questionable record as a minister... do you know her? i record as a minister... do you know her? i know — record as a minister... do you know her? i know her— record as a minister... do you know her? i know her professionally, - record as a minister... do you know her? i know her professionally, i. her? i know her professionally, i have heard _ her? i know her professionally, i have heard her— her? i know her professionally, i have heard her rhetoric, - her? i know her professionally, i have heard her rhetoric, nicky, i her? i know her professionally, i i have heard her rhetoric, nicky, and it comes _ have heard her rhetoric, nicky, and it comes from — have heard her rhetoric, nicky, and it comes from the _ have heard her rhetoric, nicky, and it comes from the heart, _ have heard her rhetoric, nicky, and it comes from the heart, i - have heard her rhetoric, nicky, and it comes from the heart, ican- have heard her rhetoric, nicky, and it comes from the heart, i can tell. it comes from the heart, i can tell you. _ it comes from the heart, i can tell you. and — it comes from the heart, i can tell you, and therefore _ it comes from the heart, i can tell you, and therefore i— it comes from the heart, i can tell you, and therefore i deem - it comes from the heart, i can tell you, and therefore i deem her- it comes from the heart, i can tell| you, and therefore i deem her and stand _ you, and therefore i deem her and stand by— you, and therefore i deem her and stand try it — you, and therefore i deem her and stand try it as— you, and therefore i deem her and stand by it as a— you, and therefore i deem her and stand by it as a deeply _ you, and therefore i deem her and stand by it as a deeply unpleasant| stand by it as a deeply unpleasant individual — stand by it as a deeply unpleasant individual. now, _ stand by it as a deeply unpleasant individual. now, i— stand by it as a deeply unpleasant individual. now, iwill— stand by it as a deeply unpleasant individual. now, iwilltell- stand by it as a deeply unpleasant individual. now, iwill tell you, i individual. now, iwill tell you, moreover, _ individual. now, iwill tell you,

moreover, as _ individual. now, iwill tell you, moreover, as every _ individual. now, iwill tell you, moreover, as every other- individual. now, iwill tell you, moreover, as every other mp i individual. now, iwill tell you, . moreover, as every other mp will attest _ moreover, as every other mp will attest to— moreover, as every other mp will attest to up— moreover, as every other mp will attest to up and _ moreover, as every other mp will attest to up and down _ moreover, as every other mp will attest to up and down these - moreover, as every other mp will i attest to up and down these islands, the heartbreaking _ attest to up and down these islands, the heartbreaking immigration- attest to up and down these islands, the heartbreaking immigration cases that we _ the heartbreaking immigration cases that we are — the heartbreaking immigration cases that we are dealing _ the heartbreaking immigration cases that we are dealing with _ the heartbreaking immigration cases that we are dealing with as - that we are dealing with as constituency— that we are dealing with as constituency mps - that we are dealing with as constituency mps that - that we are dealing with as - constituency mps that proceed at a snails— constituency mps that proceed at a snail's pace — constituency mps that proceed at a snail's pace despite _ constituency mps that proceed at a snail's pace despite the _ constituency mps that proceed at a snail's pace despite the best - constituency mps that proceed at a snail's pace despite the best effort| snail's pace despite the best effort of civil— snail's pace despite the best effort of civil servants _ snail's pace despite the best effort of civil servants and _ snail's pace despite the best effort of civil servants and officials - snail's pace despite the best effort of civil servants and officials are i of civil servants and officials are on her _ of civil servants and officials are on her shoulders. _ of civil servants and officials are on her shoulders. she _ of civil servants and officials are on her shoulders. she is- of civil servants and officials are on her shoulders. she is the - of civil servants and officials are i on her shoulders. she is the home secretary. — on her shoulders. she is the home secretary. she _ on her shoulders. she is the home secretary, she was _ on her shoulders. she is the home secretary, she was responsible - on her shoulders. she is the home secretary, she was responsible fori secretary, she was responsible for all that— secretary, she was responsible for all that suffering, _ secretary, she was responsible for all that suffering, and _ secretary, she was responsible for all that suffering, and this - secretary, she was responsible for all that suffering, and this is - secretary, she was responsible for all that suffering, and this is a - all that suffering, and this is a very— all that suffering, and this is a very unpleasant— all that suffering, and this is a very unpleasant look- all that suffering, and this is a very unpleasant look for- all that suffering, and this is a very unpleasant look for any. all that suffering, and this is a - very unpleasant look for any senior cabinet _ very unpleasant look for any senior cabinet minster. _ an unpleasant look and deeply unpleasant individual question not i unpleasant individual question not i think the sort of rhetoric is the worst for politicians as a whole. i could bang on about alex salmond, margaret ferrier, there is plenty to go into an the snp�*s past, and labour has had various scandals too. alex salmond isn't an the snp any more, and margaret faria has lost the whip. but more, and margaret faria has lost the whi.�* ., more, and margaret faria has lost thewhi.�* ., ~ the whip. but both of them were. and both of them — the whip. but both of them were. and both of them have _ the whip. but both of them were. and both of them have huge _ the whip. but both of them were. and both of them have huge history - the whip. but both of them were. and both of them have huge history with l both of them have huge history with the snp. let's not pretend they are completely unrelated. my point is,

that sort of mudslinging is not, i think, the kind of thing we should be engaged in. the reality is that dave doesn't know suella on a personal level at all, to call anyone an unpleasant individual does not help. tackle the arguments and have the conversation. i'm completely prepared to defend the record of the home office, the huge improvements they have made in processing passports recently. all of that stuff, i think, is what we should be talking about. personalised mudslinging is exactly the sort of thing that makes every sensible person switch off from politics and think they are all the same, what is the point, we should be better than that. i same, what is the point, we should be better than that.— be better than that. i tell you what is particularly _ be better than that. i tell you what is particularly unpleasant - be better than that. i tell you what is particularly unpleasant is - is particularly unpleasant is rehearsing an element that was exhausted three years ago about the absolute _ exhausted three years ago about the absolute myth, the nonsensical and ill informed myth that local uk people — ill informed myth that local uk people have to live near a horticulture farm, flowers or soft fruit. _ horticulture farm, flowers or soft fruit. can — horticulture farm, flowers or soft fruit, can pick the fruit and we don't — fruit, can pick the fruit and we don't need _ fruit, can pick the fruit and we don't need people to come in,

agricultural workers to come in and picked _ agricultural workers to come in and picked up _ agricultural workers to come in and picked up fruit. that argument was debunked — picked up fruit. that argument was debunked three years ago, when there was a _ debunked three years ago, when there was a different home secretary, a different— defra secretary. she said there is no reason — defra secretary. she said there is no reason why british people can't pick fruit~ — no reason why british people can't pick fruit. she is completely wrong, and that— pick fruit. she is completely wrong, and that rhetoric plays havoc with the complex supply chains. we have enough _ the complex supply chains. we have enough challenges with food inflation. .., enough challenges with food inflation. ., ~ inflation. nikki said we can walk and chew gum _ inflation. nikki said we can walk and chew gum at _ inflation. nikki said we can walk and chew gum at the _ inflation. nikki said we can walk and chew gum at the same - inflation. nikki said we can walkl and chew gum at the same time. suella braverman is extending the agricultural scheme, suella braverman is extending the agriculturalscheme, making suella braverman is extending the agricultural scheme, making sure there are enough workers coming from abroad to do exactly that. she's also making the entirely completely compatible point that british workers should be able to do british jobs as well. taste workers should be able to do british jobs as well-— jobs as well. we will refer to our listener. yes, _ jobs as well. we will refer to our listener. yes, sorry, _ jobs as well. we will refer to our listener. yes, sorry, you - jobs as well. we will refer to our listener. yes, sorry, you are - jobs as well. we will refer to our listener. yes, sorry, you are alll listener. yes, sorry, you are all talkin: listener. yes, sorry, you are all

talking about _ listener. yes, sorry, you are all talking about policies, - listener. yes, sorry, you are all talking about policies, but - listener. yes, sorry, you are all| talking about policies, but really what _ talking about policies, but really what we — talking about policies, but really what we are _ talking about policies, but really what we are talking _ talking about policies, but really what we are talking about - talking about policies, but really what we are talking about here i talking about policies, but reallyi what we are talking about here is the character— what we are talking about here is the character of _ what we are talking about here is the character of suella _ what we are talking about here is i the character of suella braverman. is the character of suella braverman. is she _ the character of suella braverman. is she fit _ the character of suella braverman. is she fit for — the character of suella braverman. is she fit for purpose _ the character of suella braverman. is she fit for purpose as _ the character of suella braverman. is she fit for purpose as home - is she fit for purpose as home secretary? _ is she fit for purpose as home secretary? her— is she fit for purpose as home secretary? herjudgment, - is she fit for purpose as home - secretary? herjudgment, covering up when she— secretary? herjudgment, covering up when she sent — secretary? herjudgment, covering up when she sent e—mails, _ secretary? herjudgment, covering up when she sent e—mails, confidential. when she sent e—mails, confidential documents — when she sent e—mails, confidential documents in — when she sent e—mails, confidential documents in an _ when she sent e—mails, confidential documents in an e—mail_ when she sent e—mails, confidential documents in an e—mail that- when she sent e—mails, confidential documents in an e—mail that was . when she sent e—mails, confidential| documents in an e—mail that was her own personal— documents in an e—mail that was her own personal e—mail, _ documents in an e—mail that was her own personal e—mail, the _ documents in an e—mail that was heri own personal e—mail, the connection with the _ own personal e—mail, the connection with the rwandan _ own personal e—mail, the connection with the rwandan government - own personal e—mail, the connection with the rwandan government that l own personal e—mail, the connection| with the rwandan government that is 'ust with the rwandan government that is just starting — with the rwandan government that is just starting to — with the rwandan government that is just starting to come _ with the rwandan government that is just starting to come out _ with the rwandan government that is just starting to come out again. - with the rwandan government that is just starting to come out again. i - just starting to come out again. i can go— just starting to come out again. i can go along _ just starting to come out again. i can go along with _ just starting to come out again. i can go along with cherie - just starting to come out again. i can go along with cherie blair, . just starting to come out again. i l can go along with cherie blair, this is along _ can go along with cherie blair, this is along with — can go along with cherie blair, this is along with cherie _ can go along with cherie blair, this is along with cherie blair, - can go along with cherie blair, this is along with cherie blair, she - can go along with cherie blair, this is along with cherie blair, she was| is along with cherie blair, she was involved _ is along with cherie blair, she was involved in— is along with cherie blair, she was involved in a — is along with cherie blair, she was involved in a training _ is along with cherie blair, she was involved in a training course - is along with cherie blair, she was involved in a training course for. involved in a training course for rwandan— involved in a training course for rwandan lawyers. _ involved in a training course for rwandan lawyers.— involved in a training course for rwandan lawyers. some of them are now in government _ rwandan lawyers. some of them are now in government in _ rwandan lawyers. some of them are now in government in rwanda. - rwandan lawyers. some of them are now in government in rwanda. that| rwandan lawyers. some of them are | now in government in rwanda. that is the story that has come out. and also, she used the word invasion to describe what is happening on the south coast of england. yes. describe what is happening on the south coast of england.— south coast of england. yes, she did. south coast of england. yes, she did- some _ south coast of england. yes, she did- some of— south coast of england. yes, she did. some of the _ south coast of england. yes, she did. some of the language - south coast of england. yes, she| did. some of the language around this stuff is the sort of language that ikea day out... this stuff is the sort of language that ikea day out. . .—

this stuff is the sort of language | that ikea day out..._ -- that ikea day out... invasion? -- that ikea day out... invasion? -- that ikea day out... invasion? -- that i hear— that ikea day out... invasion? -- that i hear from _ that ikea day out... invasion? -- that i hear from my _ that ikea day out... invasion? --| that i hear from my constituents. that ikea day out... invasion? -- i that i hear from my constituents. i that i hearfrom my constituents. i think it is right that the home secretary responds to those concerns. i am...— secretary responds to those concerns. i am... secretary responds to those concerns. iam... ~ ., , concerns. i am... would you use the word invasion? _ concerns. i am... would you use the word invasion? it's _ concerns. i am... would you use the word invasion? it's an _ concerns. i am... would you use the word invasion? it's an interesting . word invasion? it's an interesting . uestion, word invasion? it's an interesting question. it's _ word invasion? it's an interesting question, it's not _ word invasion? it's an interesting question, it's not a _ word invasion? it's an interesting question, it's not a word - word invasion? it's an interesting question, it's not a word that - word invasion? it's an interesting question, it's not a word that i i question, it's not a word that i would use myself. but i think it is right that the home secretary talks the same language that many do in the same language that many do in the country. the same language that many do in the country-— the same language that many do in the count . . ., ., , ., the country. another example of her oor the country. another example of her poorjudgment- _ the country. another example of her poorjudgment. poor _ the country. another example of her poorjudgment. poorjudgment - the country. another example of her| poorjudgment. poorjudgment would poor 'udgment. poor 'udgment would be poorjudgment. poor 'udgment would be to pretend _ poorjudgment. poor 'udgment would be to pretend these _ poorjudgment. poorjudgment would be to pretend these are _ poorjudgment. poorjudgment would be to pretend these are not _ poorjudgment. poorjudgment would be to pretend these are not issues i be to pretend these are not issues that are very real to many people up and down the country, getting a grip on them, actually tackling them once and for all. that is what the home office should be doing. we should not be denying that people are talking about it in these terms. we shouldn't be pretending everything is sweetness and light. i tell shouldn't be pretending everything is sweetness and light.— is sweetness and light. i tell you what, we have _ is sweetness and light. i tell you what, we have to _ is sweetness and light. i tell you what, we have to go _ is sweetness and light. i tell you what, we have to go to - is sweetness and light. i tell you what, we have to go to the - is sweetness and light. i tell you | what, we have to go to the news. is sweetness and light. i tell you - what, we have to go to the news. but we will pick this up. alison, you will have first shot after the news on the weather. not the weather, the sport. more on the political weather coming up. thank you steve, much

appreciated. i mentioned johnny earlier on, he is talking about inflation very soon. here is the news. the prime minister says suella braverman did not breach the ministerial code over her handling of a speeding offence last year. but he told the home secretary that "a better course of action could have been taken to avoid giving rise to the perception of impropriety". the annual rate of inflation in the uk fell to 8.7% in april. it's the first time since august last year that it's been in single figures. but the chancellor, jeremy hunt, says it's a concern that food prices are still high. police investigating the disappearance of madeleine mccann are beginning the second day of their search at a reservoir in portugal. the area is around 30 miles from where the three—year—old disappeared in 2007.

over a hundred members of the us congress and the european parliament have signed a lettersaying that an oil industry executive shouldn't lead the next un climate change conference. sultan aljaber, who's the chief executive of the abu dhabi national oil company, has been chosen to head cop28. valencia have called the decision to partially close their stadium "disproportionate, unjust and unprecedented" and say they intend to appeal against that. they've been sanctioned by the spanish football federation after racist chanting from the crowd was directed at real madrid's viniciuer. the incident on sunday's sparked global outrage. before two fixtures in la liga last night, players and match officials stood behind banners which read "racism, out of football". gareth southgate names his latest england squad at two o'clock this afternoon ahead of two euros qualifiers next month. brighton manager roberto de zerbi has tipped his centre back lewis dunk to get a recall.

brighton host champions manchester city tonight in the league. chelsea women have exercised the option to extend fran kirby's contract by another year. earlier this month, a knee problem ended her season early and ruled her out of the world cup. and former wales captain alun wynjones will lead out the barbarians at twickenham on sunday, the week after he annoucned his shock international retirement. italy skipper michele lamaro will captain the world xv, with the controverisal wing israel falou also starting. he was sacked by rugby australia in 2019 for homophobic social media posts.

news that has broken this morning, prime minister rishi sunak has decided that suella braverman did not breach ministerial rules over her handling of a speeding offence. he said she will not face an investigation over the row, although she could have done it in a slightly different way, because there was a certain perception that it was not a good look. a tree is in the clear and did not breach the ministerial code. and she has written a letter in response, which is quite a screed, apparently. it is kind of approaching the length of war and peace. i'm looking up the whole

thing. tolstoy would have been proud. let me read you a couple of bits. we have the mp panel under way. lest i forget, matt warman, conservative mp for boston and skegness, alison mcgovern, labour mp4 where all south, the shadow employment minister. and dave doogan, westminster mp for angus, and the snp defence spokesman. we havejohnny hanging on. i will be with you, johnny in manchester. this is what she said. we have taken some bits out. it is long. after arriving at the home office in september as home secretary, informed officials in my home private office about the course, and asked whether it was appropriate, given my new role. this reflected my lack of familiarity with protocol relating to my newly acquired official status as a protected person. that means i am

required to have a close protection and security team overseeing my movements with me always in public. another bit we have picked out. a bit of speed reading that has been going on here. i accept that i will speeding and regret doing so. at no point did i try to avoid sanction. my point did i try to avoid sanction. my actions were always directed towards finding an appropriate way towards finding an appropriate way to participate in the speed awareness course, taking into account my new role as home secretary, and the unnecessary security and privacy issues that this raised. let me do one more paragraph. in hindsight, were faced with a similar situation again, i would have chosen a different course of action. i sought to explore whether bespoke arrangements where possible, given my personal circumstances as a security protected minister. i recognise how some people have construe this as me seeking to avoid sanction. at no point was the intentional outcome. nonetheless, given the fundamental importance of integrity in public life, i deeply regret that my

actions may have given rise to that perception and i apologise for the destruction this has caused. —— distraction. a security protected person, all of the money that would be involved, with spooks going with her, be reasonable? ma; be involved, with spooks going with her, be reasonable?— her, be reasonable? my frustration with this before _ her, be reasonable? my frustration with this before is _ her, be reasonable? my frustration with this before is why _ her, be reasonable? my frustration with this before is why she - her, be reasonable? my frustration with this before is why she didn't . with this before is why she didn't just do the course. this seems like a relatively standard thing, you have been caught speeding, you're going to do one of these courses, just get on with it and faffing about. it seems to be she is saying, actually, my concern was about the protection team and all of the rest of it. well, sure, but she could have just done the course, and i'm sure the protection people would have made sure that she was safe, may be, i don't know, if you could have just paid the fine. i think

that what is going on here isjust there is a level of faffing about over this on an issue that for most people in britain would be absolutely straightforward. mast absolutely straightforward. most eo - le absolutely straightforward. most peeple aren't — absolutely straightforward. most people aren't the _ absolutely straightforward. most people aren't the home - absolutely straightforward. most people aren't the home secretary. absolutely straightforward. most i people aren't the home secretary. i know that. if you are the home secretary, you should just get on with dealing with issues like this. because as we were saying before, there are substantial problems in there are substantial problems in the home office. matt says the passport processing has been improved. i really hope that is the case, because it really has been terrible. . case, because it really has been terrible. , ., ., , terrible. here is more on this, the sto of terrible. here is more on this, the story of the _ terrible. here is more on this, the story of the hour, _ terrible. here is more on this, the story of the hour, i _ terrible. here is more on this, the story of the hour, i am _ terrible. here is more on this, the story of the hour, i am reading i terrible. here is more on this, the | story of the hour, i am reading this while listening to you. walking and chewing gum at the same time. let me give you another paragraph. however, special advisers raised concerns about the difficulties of ensuring the appropriate security arrangements for an in—person course. their concerns included that

my protective security team might need to join my protective security team might need tojoin me in the room, will be unable to undertake appropriate vetting of other course participants, owing to third—party privacy concerns, special advisers contacted the cost provider to understand the range of options available, and consistence with their rules and practices. i conclude none of these could address the security and political concerns. matt, you would say that is fair enough? i matt, you would say that is fair enou~h? ~ . matt, you would say that is fair enou~h? ,, ., , matt, you would say that is fair enou~h? ~ . ,. , , enough? i think that is a pretty comprehensive _ enough? i think that is a pretty comprehensive summation i enough? i think that is a pretty comprehensive summation of. comprehensive summation of legitimate concerns. in the end, she paid the _ legitimate concerns. in the end, she paid the penalty, took the points and got — paid the penalty, took the points and got on with it. we have to live in a world — and got on with it. we have to live in a world where people who have these _ in a world where people who have these extraordinary personal circumstances, such as the home secretary. — circumstances, such as the home secretary, are able to ask the question _ secretary, are able to ask the question. she asks the question, got the answers— question. she asks the question, got the answers and got on with it. i think— the answers and got on with it. i think alison is being reasonable in saying _ think alison is being reasonable in saying that there are questions to answer _ saying that there are questions to answer as— saying that there are questions to answer. as you put it, we have the tolstoy— answer. as you put it, we have the tolstoy length version of that. so

man tolstoy length version of that. ’sr many words. tolstoy length version of that. so many words. she _ tolstoy length version of that. so many words. she should - tolstoy length version of that. so many words. she should have i tolstoy length version of that. so | many words. she should have just many words. she should have 'ust taken the points. i many words. she should have 'ust taken the points. did i many words. she should have 'ust taken the points. did you i many words. she should have just taken the points. did you take i many words. she should have just taken the points. did you take the points will go on a course? i taken the points. did you take the points will go on a course?- points will go on a course? i went on a course- _ points will go on a course? i went on a course. and _ points will go on a course? i went on a course. and i _ points will go on a course? i went on a course. and i am _ points will go on a course? i went on a course. and i am not - points will go on a course? i went on a course. and i am not the i on a course. and i am not the home secretary. _ on a course. and i am not the home secretary, and it was a very useful course, _ secretary, and it was a very useful course, and — secretary, and it was a very useful course, and i'm very grateful to have _ course, and i'm very grateful to have had — course, and i'm very grateful to have had my approach to that type of driving _ have had my approach to that type of driving improved by that course. however. — driving improved by that course. however, if i could not have done a course, _ however, if i could not have done a course, i_ however, if i could not have done a course, i would have taken the points — course, i would have taken the points i— course, i would have taken the points. i think if i had found myself— points. i think if i had found myself at _ points. i think if i had found myself at the unlikely position of being _ myself at the unlikely position of being uk— myself at the unlikely position of being uk home secretary, i would have just — being uk home secretary, i would have just taken the points. and got on with— have just taken the points. and got on with it — have just taken the points. and got on with it. ., . have just taken the points. and got on with it. ,, ., ., on with it. shall we get on with it? we will come _ on with it. shall we get on with it? we will come back— on with it. shall we get on with it? we will come back to _ on with it. shall we get on with it? we will come back to that - on with it. shall we get on with it? we will come back to that when i on with it. shall we get on with it? i we will come back to that when moore emerges. johnny in manchester, at last. you are in. sorry about that, breaking news broke.— last. you are in. sorry about that, breaking news broke. changing tack sliehtl , breaking news broke. changing tack slightly. talking _ breaking news broke. changing tack slightly, talking about _ breaking news broke. changing tack

slightly, talking about food - breaking news broke. changing tack slightly, talking about food prices. i slightly, talking about food prices. ijust slightly, talking about food prices. i just want to know whether food prices are going to be affordable, and when we stop talking about inflation. inflation is the rate at which it increases. food prices are greater than the amount of money people have in their pocket, if the prices keep going up, people can't afford it. how are we going to make food more affordable.— food more affordable. alison mcgovern. — food more affordable. alison mcgovern, when _ food more affordable. alison mcgovern, when we - food more affordable. alison mcgovern, when we do i food more affordable. alison i mcgovern, when we do phone-ins food more affordable. alison - mcgovern, when we do phone-ins on mcgovern, when we do phone—ins on food prices on food inflation, which we do regularly, asjohnny well know, it is heartbreaking, what we are hearing. what would be different under labour? if are hearing. what would be different under labour? if i are hearing. what would be different under labour?— under labour? if i was employment minister tomorrow, _ under labour? if i was employment minister tomorrow, what _ under labour? if i was employment minister tomorrow, what i - under labour? if i was employment minister tomorrow, what i would i under labour? if i was employment| minister tomorrow, what i would do is makejob centres minister tomorrow, what i would do is make job centres really help people increase the range ofjobs available to them. the reason why i say that is because businesses are crying out for staff. one of the big problems in getting through to be affordable is the cost of labour. at the moment, i don't believejob centres really serve anyone that well. they certainly don't serve

employers well. we have a plan to change that. i think by helping people get back to work and helping people get back to work and helping people who are already in work do jobs that are going to pay them well and that we need them to do, in food manufacturing, for example, there are some very highly skilled jobs. food manufacturing is often a technological role these days. i've been to manufacturing sites in my own constituency and have seen it for myself. i think if we can get people better paid jobs, not only will we put money in their pockets, we will help increase the amount of workers going into food manufacturing and help that way. there are other things that labour would do if we were in power tomorrow. we would build on the situation we have been left with by the tory brexit deal, and try to get trade flowing more smoothly. hagar trade flowing more smoothly. how would ou trade flowing more smoothly. how would you do _ trade flowing more smoothly. how would you do that? _ trade flowing more smoothly. how would you do that? is that being part of the customs union, single market? fin

part of the customs union, single market? ., ,., .. �* part of the customs union, single market? ., �* ., market? on that point, we can't go backwards- — market? on that point, we can't go backwards- we _ market? on that point, we can't go backwards. we have _ market? on that point, we can't go backwards. we have got _ market? on that point, we can't go backwards. we have got to - market? on that point, we can't go backwards. we have got to be i market? on that point, we can't go i backwards. we have got to be pretty basic brexit deal that borisjohnson negotiated, i don't think it is a good deal. there is an issue with vets at the moment. and vets are a vital part of the food industry, trying to make sure that there is recognition of qualifications, making sure that vets are available for the food industry is something that we would try to get an agreement on. i think that would not just help the uk, that would also be helpful to the european union. some of the more technical details about making sure that we can't get trade flowing, that will also help. plat flowing, that will also help. not substantive _ flowing, that will also help. not substantive details, like the customs union and single market? irate customs union and single market? we can't customs union and single market? , can't go backwards. customs union and single market? we can't go backwards. standardisation i can't go backwards. standardisation and tariffs? ls— can't go backwards. standardisation and tariffs? is that _ can't go backwards. standardisation and tariffs? is that going _ can't go backwards. standardisation and tariffs? is that going back? i can't go backwards. standardisation and tariffs? is that going back? ori and tariffs? is that going back? or is that going to a better position? we got to improve the deal. we went through all of that process, and we were left with what was a pretty

poor and pretty basic deal. irate were left with what was a pretty poor and pretty basic deal. we are where we are? _ poor and pretty basic deal. we are where we are? we've _ poor and pretty basic deal. we are where we are? we've got - poor and pretty basic deal. we are where we are? we've got to i poor and pretty basic deal. we are where we are? we've got to deal. poor and pretty basic deal. we are i where we are? we've got to deal with it. we also where we are? we've got to deal with it- we also need _ where we are? we've got to deal with it. we also need to _ where we are? we've got to deal with it. we also need to recognise - where we are? we've got to deal with it. we also need to recognise that, i it. we also need to recognise that, at the moment, there's a lot of people doing jobs which is the job that they are in because it is the one that they can do. if we can get things like childcare support much better, the obr said that improving child care will give 1.5 million people the ability to work more hours. we know that will have an impact and labour will go further and make sure there is breakfast clubs. we know there are lots of people that could work more if they were not on an nhs waiting list or if the health of the nation was improved. that would help get people into jobs that would not only help them, but put money in their pockets, but also deal with the inadequacy of the labour force at the moment. inadequacy of the labour force at the moment-— the moment. hang on, that's an interesting... _ the moment. hang on, that's an interesting... it's _ the moment. hang on, that's an interesting... it's not _ the moment. hang on, that's an interesting... it's not a - the moment. hang on, that's an i interesting... it's not a tangential issue, it is a central issue, the health of the nation as well. eating

the right food, we hear this all the time, but it is getting the food in the first place, being able to afford it. what are you going to do about it? i afford it. what are you going to do about it? .. ., afford it. what are you going to do about it? ,, ., , ., ., about it? i think what you are seeinu about it? i think what you are seeing already _ about it? i think what you are seeing already is _ about it? i think what you are seeing already is the - about it? i think what you are seeing already is the peak i about it? i think what you are seeing already is the peak of| seeing already is the peak of overall inflation seems to now be behind us. but overall inflation seems to now be behind us. �* overall inflation seems to now be behind us— behind us. but food inflation is still awful- _ behind us. but food inflation is still awful. n — behind us. but food inflation is still awful. it is _ behind us. but food inflation is still awful. it is down - behind us. but food inflation is still awful. it is down a - behind us. but food inflation is still awful. it is down a tiny i still awful. it is down a tiny fraction in _ still awful. it is down a tiny fraction in the _ still awful. it is down a tiny fraction in the latest i still awful. it is down a tiny i fraction in the latest figures. the expert analysis is that will also begin to fall. alison is right to talk about access to labour and all of that stuff, automation and all of that. these are relatively long—term solutions. i think what we really need at this stage is to continue on that sensible economic path. that is what will get inflation down across the whole economy. and we shouldn't forget that a huge chunk of this does come back to the situation in ukraine and with russia. i'm not using it as the whole reason, it does underline that we have to be

steadfast in that position in order to get back to a greater position of stability overall. i to get back to a greater position of stability overall.— stability overall. i am being assailed from _ stability overall. i am being assailed from all— stability overall. i am being assailed from all sides. i i stability overall. i am being i assailed from all sides. ijust assailed from all sides. i 'ust wanted to i assailed from all sides. i 'ust wanted to clarify i assailed from all sides. i 'ust wanted to clarify my i assailed from all sides. ijust wanted to clarify my point. i wanted to clarify my point. particularly _ wanted to clarify my point. particularly that _ wanted to clarify my point. particularly that last - wanted to clarify my point. l particularly that last answer wanted to clarify my point. - particularly that last answer does not address— particularly that last answer does not address what _ particularly that last answer does not address what i— particularly that last answer does not address what i am _ particularly that last answer does not address what i am trying - particularly that last answer does not address what i am trying to l particularly that last answer does i not address what i am trying to say. inflation_ not address what i am trying to say. inflation is_ not address what i am trying to say. inflation is the _ not address what i am trying to say. inflation is the amount _ not address what i am trying to say. inflation is the amount at _ not address what i am trying to say. inflation is the amount at which - inflation is the amount at which food _ inflation is the amount at which food prices _ inflation is the amount at which food prices go _ inflation is the amount at which food prices go up. _ inflation is the amount at which food prices go up. if— inflation is the amount at which food prices go up. if people - inflation is the amount at which. food prices go up. if people can't afford _ food prices go up. if people can't afford food — food prices go up. if people can't afford food now, _ food prices go up. if people can't afford food now, what _ food prices go up. if people can't afford food now, what does - food prices go up. if people can't afford food now, what does de l food prices go up. if people can't. afford food now, what does de facto difference _ afford food now, what does de facto difference does _ afford food now, what does de facto difference does it— afford food now, what does de facto difference does it matter? - afford food now, what does de facto difference does it matter? if- afford food now, what does de facto difference does it matter? if i- afford food now, what does de facto difference does it matter? if i have| difference does it matter? if i have £1 in difference does it matter? if i have if in my _ difference does it matter? if i have £1 in my pocket, _ difference does it matter? if i have £1 in my pocket, and _ difference does it matter? if i have £1 in my pocket, and it _ difference does it matter? if i have £1 in my pocket, and it not - difference does it matter? if i have £1 in my pocket, and it not beans l £1 in my pocket, and it not beans costs _ £1 in my pocket, and it not beans costs £150. _ £i in my pocket, and it not beans costs £150. if— £1 in my pocket, and it not beans costs £1.50, if inflation _ £1 in my pocket, and it not beans costs £1.50, if inflation is - £1 in my pocket, and it not beans costs £1.50, if inflation is 0%, i £1 in my pocket, and it not beans costs £1.50, if inflation is 0%, it| costs £1.50, if inflation is 0%, it would _ costs £1.50, if inflation is 0%, it would still— costs £1.50, if inflation is 0%, it would still cost _ costs £1.50, if inflation is 0%, it would still cost £1.50. _ costs £1.50, if inflation is 0%, it would still cost £1.50.— costs £1.50, if inflation is 0%, it would still cost £1.50. that is why we have to _ would still cost £1.50. that is why we have to find _ would still cost £1.50. that is why we have to find a _ would still cost £1.50. that is why we have to find a way _ would still cost £1.50. that is why we have to find a way to - would still cost £1.50. that is why we have to find a way to put - we have to find a way to put more money in pockets. at the same time as making sure people are doing the jobs that people are doing which will help with inflation. i want to come back on what matt said, and

control of inflation, thankfully, interest rates, which is the main way that we approach inflation, they are set independently in the united kingdom. that is a good thing. the context is set for the bank of england by the government. we have seen a reckless conservative party under the leadership of liz truss, and i worry that now we have a complacent conservative party at the helm, with jeremy complacent conservative party at the helm, withjeremy hunt. you can't be overly hopeful. you have to be conservative with a very small c. i worry that the conservative government is crossing its fingers and hoping something will turn up before we have an election, rather than really looking at what is going on in the labour market and saying, we have too many people doing jobs that are not good enough for them, that are not good enough for them, that are not paying them well enough, and that is contributing to the productivity problems under labour shortages we saw. i think

that can be _ labour shortages we saw. i think that can be further _ labour shortages we saw. i think that can be further from - labour shortages we saw. i think that can be further from the - labour shortages we saw. i think. that can be further from the truth. if you _ that can be further from the truth. if you look— that can be further from the truth. if you look at the revolutionary approach — if you look at the revolutionary approach that jeremy hunt has taken to childcare in the recent budget, the living — to childcare in the recent budget, the living wage, the approach we have _ the living wage, the approach we have taken to encouraging firms to getting _ have taken to encouraging firms to getting on— have taken to encouraging firms to getting on with investing in r&d, that is— getting on with investing in r&d, that is the opposite of complacency. jeremy— that is the opposite of complacency. jeremy hunt has been in government for a long time, then had a break, and over 13 years, he has been at the helm. at this late stage, trying to rescue the situation from the damage that liz truss did. you know he was not chancellor _ damage that liz truss did. you know he was not chancellor for _ damage that liz truss did. you know he was not chancellor for the - damage that liz truss did. you know he was not chancellor for the vast i he was not chancellor for the vast majority _ he was not chancellor for the vast majority of — he was not chancellor for the vast majority of that period. no, he was not chancellor for the vast majority of that period.— he was not chancellor for the vast majority of that period. no, but he was... as nikki _ majority of that period. no, but he was... as nikki was _ majority of that period. no, but he was... as nikki was just _ majority of that period. no, but he was... as nikki wasjust saying, i majority of that period. no, but he| was... as nikki wasjust saying, the health of the nation as a major problem to our economy. when he was in the health select committee, he supported labour's plans for the nhs. now what is he doing as chancellor? let nhs. now what is he doing as chancellor?— nhs. now what is he doing as chancellor? ., ., g ., , chancellor? let me move on, johnny, ureat chancellor? let me move on, johnny, great stuff. — chancellor? let me move on, johnny, great stuff, thank _ chancellor? let me move on, johnny, great stuff, thank you _ chancellor? let me move on, johnny, great stuff, thank you very _ chancellor? let me move on, johnny, great stuff, thank you very much - chancellor? let me move on, johnny, great stuff, thank you very much a . great stuff, thank you very much a and i'm glad we got to you. simon in

southport, a question about the water companies, an apology from the water companies, an apology from the water companies, an apology from the water companies, ruth kelly, on their part, was apologising. she is a former labour cabinet minister and now she represents the water companies. i did coin the phrase, i'm quite pleased with it, i was the first to say it, it was early morning and i had had a coffee, sorry seems to be the hardest turd. with simon, what is your question? the question for the mps was, after being told it was impossible to upgrade the victorian water system, the water companies are now saying it can be done in seven years. but customers have to foot the bill for paying for these upgrades. and really, do mps think it is right and fair after five really, do mps think it is right and fair afterfive decades

really, do mps think it is right and fair after five decades of privatisation that customers now have to pay for clean water in our rivers and cities? it’s have to pay for clean water in our rivers and cities?— rivers and cities? it's a great question- — rivers and cities? it's a great question. dave _ rivers and cities? it's a great question. dave doogan, - rivers and cities? it's a great question. dave doogan, i. rivers and cities? it's a great i question. dave doogan, i come to you. the only time i would swim in the river would be in the western highlands, which we both know and love so well. you highlands, which we both know and love so well-— love so well. you would be very welcome _ love so well. you would be very welcome to _ love so well. you would be very welcome to swim, _ love so well. you would be very welcome to swim, fine - love so well. you would be very welcome to swim, fine and i love so well. you would be very| welcome to swim, fine and clear water— welcome to swim, fine and clear water in — welcome to swim, fine and clear water in the tay._ welcome to swim, fine and clear water in the tay. what do you make about what — water in the tay. what do you make about what is _ water in the tay. what do you make about what is going _ water in the tay. what do you make about what is going on, _ water in the tay. what do you make about what is going on, it _ water in the tay. what do you make about what is going on, it is - water in the tay. what do you make about what is going on, it is a i water in the tay. what do you make about what is going on, it is a part l about what is going on, it is a part of the privatisation project? it’s a of the privatisation pro'ect? it's a particularly * of the privatisation project? it's a particularly predictable _ of the privatisation project? it's a particularly predictable outcome of the privatisation of a utility that should — the privatisation of a utility that should not come with a profit component. there would be advocates for the _ component. there would be advocates for the free _ component. there would be advocates for the free market, he will tell you that — for the free market, he will tell you that profit is good, it motivates investment. that falls down _ motivates investment. that falls down spectacularly when it comes to english _ down spectacularly when it comes to english water companies. as you will know, _ english water companies. as you will know, scottish water, which covers the whole — know, scottish water, which covers the whole of scotland, is owned by the whole of scotland, is owned by the people of scotland, and we do

not suffer— the people of scotland, and we do not suffer anything like the same challenges that the fractured private — challenges that the fractured private sector water environment finds _ private sector water environment finds itself in in england. i think mps, _ finds itself in in england. i think mps, colleagues of all parties are here, _ mps, colleagues of all parties are here, are — mps, colleagues of all parties are here, are rightly furious at the way that the _ here, are rightly furious at the way that the water companies have behaved. — that the water companies have behaved, while quietly building up profits— behaved, while quietly building up profits and bonuses for executives in the _ profits and bonuses for executives in the millions, while in the half hour— in the millions, while in the half hour that — in the millions, while in the half hour that l — in the millions, while in the half hour that i walked back and forward to parliament every day, there is usually— to parliament every day, there is usually water gushing from some road, _ usually water gushing from some road, somewhere. that's before you .et road, somewhere. that's before you get into— road, somewhere. that's before you get into the — road, somewhere. that's before you get into the horrendous, genuinely horrific— get into the horrendous, genuinely horrific situation of raw sewage in waterways — horrific situation of raw sewage in waterways and beaches. you reap what you sow _ waterways and beaches. you reap what you sow i_ waterways and beaches. you reap what you sow. i feel tremendous sympathy for water— you sow. i feel tremendous sympathy for water bill payers in england, who have — for water bill payers in england, who have had not had respite in the bills they— who have had not had respite in the bills they have been paying for 40 years. _ bills they have been paying for 40 years. and — bills they have been paying for 40 years, and now they find the system is fundamentally broken, both economically and in civil

engineering terms. as usual, who is being _ engineering terms. as usual, who is being asked? who is in the cross hairs— being asked? who is in the cross hairs of— being asked? who is in the cross hairs of the — being asked? who is in the cross hairs of the capital investment target? — hairs of the capital investment target? ordinary bill payers, with scant _ target? ordinary bill payers, with scant regard from any of the two main _ scant regard from any of the two main westminster parties, either in government or the labour party, to say, wait _ government or the labour party, to say, wait a — government or the labour party, to say, wait a minute, where has the money— say, wait a minute, where has the money gone? where is the money over the last— money gone? where is the money over the last 40 _ money gone? where is the money over the last 40 years there has been spent _ the last 40 years there has been spent by— the last 40 years there has been spent by water bill payers in england? where has all gone? the answer— england? where has all gone? the answer is _ england? where has all gone? the answer is that it has gone dividends and bonuses, and not on investment and bonuses, and not on investment and infrastructure, and that is why, like much _ and infrastructure, and that is why, like much else in the united kingdom, the water system in england is crumbling. | kingdom, the water system in england is crumblinu. ~ . is crumbling. i think the water companies — is crumbling. i think the water companies need _ is crumbling. i think the water companies need to _ is crumbling. i think the water companies need to do - is crumbling. i think the water companies need to do more, | is crumbling. i think the water companies need to do more, i is crumbling. i think the water- companies need to do more, i think ofwat and the government have made real strides in making sure that this does not come entirely from bill payers. that is progress. but i think we are all, as dave said, all of the main parties are immensely frustrated in the way they have behaved over the last few years, and it has not delivered improvements we need to see. it's worth saying that

we only know about levels of dumping in water because of the government's massive increase in monitoring. we are only in a position to understand the problem and fix it because of that. betterthat the problem and fix it because of that. better that than to not know about it, right? i am acutely conscious of this. i have some fantastic blue flag beaches in skegness and thereabouts. we really need people to have confidence. there are floating voters listening. and the data is really important. important not to make out that the blue flag beaches are somehow unsafe, quite the opposite. but we do need to make sure that the water companies deliver on their word. the apology is welcome, but it does not fix any pipes in itself.— apology is welcome, but it does not fix any pipes in itself.- i i fix any pipes in itself. allison? i think rules _ fix any pipes in itself. allison? i think rules really _ fix any pipes in itself. allison? i think rules really matter, i fix any pipes in itself. allison? i think rules really matter, as i fix any pipes in itself. allison? i l think rules really matter, as well as good — think rules really matter, as well as good poojokes, we also need proper— as good poojokes, we also need proper rules. the river mersey, my favourite _ proper rules. the river mersey, my favourite river, under the previous

government it was cleaned up immensely. what we are seeing here is a sense _ immensely. what we are seeing here is a sense that the water companies are getting — is a sense that the water companies are getting away with it. we need to make _ are getting away with it. we need to make sure _ are getting away with it. we need to make sure that we have automatic fines _ make sure that we have automatic fines in— make sure that we have automatic fines in place, so that we can bear down _ fines in place, so that we can bear down on _ fines in place, so that we can bear down on some of the worst behaviours. i thing that we can make that happen — behaviours. i thing that we can make that happen now. we know that we have got _ that happen now. we know that we have got to — that happen now. we know that we have got to have reform, and we have .ot have got to have reform, and we have got to _ have got to have reform, and we have got to look— have got to have reform, and we have got to look at — have got to have reform, and we have got to look at our infrastructure in the future — got to look at our infrastructure in the future i— got to look at our infrastructure in the future. i am very much in favour of taking _ the future. i am very much in favour of taking an — the future. i am very much in favour of taking an approach where we get the national infrastructure commission to look at these things, because _ commission to look at these things, because it _ commission to look at these things, because it takes a long time to deal with sewers. there are big bits of infrastructure that need to be invested _ infrastructure that need to be invested in over the long term. honestly. — invested in over the long term. honestly, fines now would help. because — honestly, fines now would help. because if we could turn up the force _ because if we could turn up the force of— because if we could turn up the force of the rules, that would really — force of the rules, that would really help. i know the difference between — really help. i know the difference between having grown up by the river

mersey— between having grown up by the river mersey that you definitely didn't want _ mersey that you definitely didn't want to— mersey that you definitely didn't want to go anywhere near, and what it has— want to go anywhere near, and what it has been— want to go anywhere near, and what it has been like to have it look clean, — it has been like to have it look clean, shiny and royal blue, as it should _ clean, shiny and royal blue, as it should be — clean, shiny and royal blue, as it should be— clean, shiny and royal blue, as it should be-_ clean, shiny and royal blue, as it should be. �* should be. and wildlife returning as well, should be. and wildlife returning as well. which — should be. and wildlife returning as well. which is _ should be. and wildlife returning as well, which is beautiful. _ should be. and wildlife returning as well, which is beautiful. so, - should be. and wildlife returning as well, which is beautiful. so, yes i should be. and wildlife returning as well, which is beautiful. so, yes or| well, which is beautiful. so, yes or no from all of you, this has come in and we only have 45 seconds, it has to be yes or no. should interest rates go back to being controlled by the government, not the bank of england? that is from andrew? dave? god, no. absolutely not. anybody who can remember the 80s and early 90s will know that is not where we need to be. a will know that is not where we need to be. , ., will know that is not where we need to be-— no- - will know that is not where we need to be. no. . to be. matt? yes or no? no. alison? definitely not- _ to be. matt? yes or no? no. alison? definitely not. there _ to be. matt? yes or no? no. alison? definitely not. there we _ to be. matt? yes or no? no. alison? definitely not. there we are. - to be. matt? yes or no? no. alison? definitely not. there we are. unless| definitely not. there we are. unless ou come definitely not. there we are. unless you come into _ definitely not. there we are. unless you come into power _ definitely not. there we are. unless you come into power and _ definitely not. there we are. unless you come into power and you i definitely not. there we are. unless you come into power and you will. you come into power and you will change your mind. ha. thank you very change your mind. no. thank you very much indeed. all of you. it has been terrific having all the programme. some great questions as well. alison mcgovern, labour mp for wirral

south, david dougan, and also matt waddle, conservative mp for boston and skegness. we have been swimming in a river of wisdom. thank you. live from london, this is bbc news. the uk home secretary, suella braverman, will not face an investigation into her actions following a speeding violation. florida governor ron desantis is set announce his 2024 presidential bid via an appearance on twitter later today. inflation in the uk falls below 10% for the first time since august, but it still remains higher than predicted. and police officers resume their search at a reservoir in portugal in connection with the disappearance of madeleine mccann. hello, i'm gareth barlow.

the uk's prime minister, rishi sunak, says he will not order an investigation into whether the home secretary